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the smoke radio for the masses headline

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edition july 8th 1947

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the army air forces has announced that a

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flying disc has been found and is now in

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the possession of the army

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if the game is rigged change the game

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game changer

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i occasionally think how quickly

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our differences worldwide

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if we were facing an alien threat from

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outside this world

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this is fade to black it's your host

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jimmy church on the game changer radio

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network and kgra the global radio

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i need your help to get to the year

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you are listening to fate to black with

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jimmy judge on the game changer network

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how you doing

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for asking

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all right let's do this today's tuesday

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345 days into the new year just 20 days

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left we are live

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from a bunker

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somewhere in the middle of downtown

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burbank california and i would like to

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welcome everybody listening all around

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the world all across the united states

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hither and tether to and throw back and

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forth up and down east and west north

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and south far and near

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this is fade to black for kjcr the game

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changer network and kgra the planet

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i am your host jimmy church what is

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cracking everybody how you doing

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that's right and tonight is night

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of our

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influencer week

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and tonight it's carrie cassidy from

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project camelot that's right she's here

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just gonna join up with us at the bottom

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of the hour tomorrow night

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tyler glockner from secure team

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is here for his first ever

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that's right that's going down tomorrow

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night pretty excited about that so great

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week last night you know when you have

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influencer week

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and you warm things up with somebody

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like billy carson last night

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tonight carrie cassidy and tomorrow

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night tyler uh thursday night uh is

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going to be uh fader night open lines

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but we have teresa inerras with us of

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divine frequency

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influencers all week long here on fade

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to black uh it's just a great

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opportunity for all of us to you know

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you know how did they get it done

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and it's uh it's just it's extraordinary

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what they all have accomplished so there

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you go that's our week here on fade to

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black and don't forget all of our social

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uh and follow us there on stellar on

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over there twitter is at j church radio

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facebook is

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is it fade to black or jimmy church

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radio over there i don't know but the

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links to it are over at

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the website and of course youtube you

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can subscribe to our youtube channel

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right there it's on the website too as

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well at jchurchradio

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is twitter now

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hashtag f2b is the sandbox and that's

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where you want to go and hang out okay

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the sandbox that's where the

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conversations happen tonight during the

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show again like every other night

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we're gonna burn through probably uh

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one two or three thousand tweets and to

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see that happen you really gotta just

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come over and hang out we use a tweet

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tweetdeck because it loads automatically

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like it's doing right now click click

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click click click right pass and if you

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have tweet deck you hear me going click

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click click because you're watching it

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too go click click click so you can go

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and do that

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and that's the easy way to go all right

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tweet deck you can also email

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cranking down to the end of the year

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is the 11th and when i said that uh a

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right do you have your holiday parties

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and christmas parties new year's parties

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all set up well you can come and hang

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the fade to black holiday slash

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is going to be december 26th at the

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world famous rainbow bar and grill on

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the sunset strip right here in hollywood

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california so come and hang out with us

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all you have to do you can do a couple

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of things one shoot me an email right

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jimmy and jimmytriprtradio.com jimmy

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here here here we are we're going to

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attend shoot me an email you can do that

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right number two go go to our facebook

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links which we have up in twitter and

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head over to facebook to do our little

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events thing and let us know that you're

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gonna be attending okay and the third

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thing which is the last resort you can

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just show up and go up to the door to

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the big burly door dude

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and go all right i'm here for the fade

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to black party and he's gonna let you

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win

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all right but then i don't get a head

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uh it would be really nice if you email

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myself or rita or let us know over on

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getting a little cramped at that point

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so let us know okay there you go all

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come and spend it with us i got an email

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i should almost read this on the air i

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wonder if he would care

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hold on for a second let me i i didn't i

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didn't plan on doing this but

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so you know what i won't say his last

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name i got this email from peter uh

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today it says hey jimmy

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there are 12 days of christmas dude all

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so you can still say or still still call

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your holiday party at christmas party

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so rita we can call it a christmas party

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party there you go december 26th all

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right and don't forget right after that

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come and join us for the 2019 conscious

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life expo right here in los angeles at

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the lax hilton

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right at the end of february all of the

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information that you need

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is just click on the conscious life

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banner at jimmychurchradio.com

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it'll take you straight over where you

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can get a full conference schedule and

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get your tickets and and information and

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of course staying at the lax hilton 2 is

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a pretty cool thing to do this year

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we are celebrating the 50th anniversary

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of chariots of the gods with eric von

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daniken and i will be hosting the panel

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uh the ancient aliens panel with eric

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and linda multnow and jason martel billy

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carson and david wilcock that'll be on

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friday night that's one of the uh

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your tickets in advance for that but

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we are celebrating with eric and you

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know there's going to be some pretty

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cool festivities going on i can't leak

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the information i can't leak it in

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advance

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i can't but you're going to want to be

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there okay this year

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50 speakers including

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george nori nasim haraming robert shock

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mosbridge teresa naris it's going to be

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great the 2019

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conscious life expo all right now i got

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um oh hey rita

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rita can you bring me the night vision

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get it in here on the camera uh the new

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orion night vision uh from hoffman's

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optics so i got all this email and i got

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a couple of tweeted texts about night

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vision goggles i was like ah and i

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it's the season right it's christmas so

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that's what's going on right now and i

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get it so you want to go to

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hoffman's optics.com the links are over

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at jimmychurchradio.com and when you get

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to the home page you scroll to the

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bottom and you will see all of the jimmy

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church edition uh night vision goggles

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there are four uh one monocular

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and uh they're all at the bottom of the

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page and you really uh and there's some

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extremely affordable stuff there too as

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all the way up to the new

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you heard me

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the new gen 4 you've got to go and check

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them out everything the complete product

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line is right there all right hoffman's

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give alec kaufman a call all right

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uh where are we at don't forget to

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subscribe to our podcast it is just two

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you can also become a fader not over in

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get hats t-shirts everything's

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autographed that's cool remember those

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are only available through the

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membership they're not for sale i don't

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give them away you can beg you can do

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whatever you want jimmy man uh uh i just

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lost my job

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uh uh can you give me a hat nope

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can i do it nope hey man i i got a flat

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tire on the way here

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and uh i spent my money on a flat tire

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uh can you give me a hat

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nope

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cannot

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i gotta respect my word my word is you

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only get the hats

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when you become a game changer and those

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that have become a game changer they

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know how exclusive those hats are

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right and when you're wearing the hat

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and you're walking at a conference

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you're walking down the street you're at

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the mall somebody walks past you with

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the fade to black hat on you know he's a

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game changer he's a fader not along with

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you and that's the only way you got

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those hats

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of course unless you're micah from the

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united kingdom but that's an exception

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that only happened once

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all right all right become a fader not

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today over in our membership section on

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the site and visit all of our sponsors

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change tea and of course a bearing opt

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or did i just say that hoffman's optics

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but of course

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fade to black blend from river moon

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coffee all right here we go let's get

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happy birthday to today nikki six

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that's right motley crue basis nikki

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sixx is 60.

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that's a lot of sixes

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[Laughter]

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nikki six is sixty

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most death today is forty five

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and i went around and

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checked on this i almost don't buy

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that most death is 45 years old i

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thought he was much older hitchhiker's

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guide to the galaxy right that came out

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10 years ago so he was only 35 when that

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came out

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be kind rewind i watched that that movie

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came out in like 1971.

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you know how can most death be 45 years

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old and i am going to text rita right

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now i'm wondering where these night

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visions are

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bring me the night vision the new ones

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oh man i'm in trouble now

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oh man okay

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uh where am i i'm in so much trouble

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most deaf is 45 years old

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and our dead guy's birthday today is

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vampira

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1922 to 2008 died at the age of 85.

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one of hollywood's first horror glamour

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girls that's right vampira best known

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though for starring in that edward cult

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film classic

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plan 9 from outer space which i have

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on vhs

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and dvd

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i got two versions of it on dvd

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that's right plan nine from outer space

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all right on this day in history

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check this out december 11th is a

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strange day

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in history

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check this out

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1964

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sam cook dies under suspicious

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circumstances right here in los angeles

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he shot three times at the hacienda

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hotel

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1978

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the big heist the the all that money

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that was jacked from the jfk airport in

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that infamous lufthansa heist remember

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that 1978 1981

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muhammad ali

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loses to trevor berbick

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in his last fight he retires for the

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second time

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1994 boris yeltsin orders russian forces

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into chechnya

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and in 2008

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billionaire con man bernie madoff is

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arrested

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[Laughter]

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all that all that on one day december

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11th man what happened today right

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what happened today carrie cassidy was

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on fade to black on december 11 2018

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fader fact

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mad as a hatter

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and mad hatter

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came from men who worked in the hat

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industry that were suffering from

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mercury poisoning because mercury was

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used in hat making

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and that

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is your fader fact and i know you feel a

390
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little bit smarter now rita just brought

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these in uh to me now check these out

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i want you to look at this look

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is that incredible

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look how tiny it is

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right fits right in the palm of your

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and you can get this right now from

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bearing optics these are on sale

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that is only six

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hundred dollars

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right there it records

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you just hold it up bam top record

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record it's digital

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it's got a zoom

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it's usb

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it's got a rechargeable battery in it

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is that the coolest thing you have ever

407
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seen look at that

408
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okay are you picking up what i'm putting

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down tripod mount full settings right

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there

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everything that you need to do

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record button right on the top right on

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the top so you're holding it boom done

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bam record download

415
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right there that's the orion from

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hoffman's optics

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that is the coolest thing ever

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right there now i'm showing it to you

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that is the christmas gift

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right there

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that is it look at that is that crazy

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it's beautiful

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that is called the orion so go to

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hoffman's optics.com

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and uh you can check it out and you've

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seen when you look at it in the pictures

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right that's one thing but look at this

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look at that

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okay are you picking up what i'm putting

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down you better be

431
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that's the orion 600 on sale 200 off

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right now

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that is just incredible

434
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incredible night vision nvgs so

435
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everybody's been contacting me about

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them well you know what

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for your christmas

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right there

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that's what you want to do that's what

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you want to do

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all right

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let's go

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now um tonight carrie cassidy is here

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and it's um influencer week and last

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night billy carson tomorrow night

446
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uh

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deal

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it's our influencer week

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and as i

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you know i'm i'm pretty pretty happy

451
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pretty amazed uh you know getting these

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three uh guests on the show for the week

453
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but it got me thinking and i've talked

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about this before

455
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but i've got to go back and revisit this

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who influenced

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me

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hmm

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right

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well it's actually very simple

461
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and it may be not what you may think

462
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but check this out

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i want everybody to write these three

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names down you can

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go

466
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and get the archives

467
00:20:01,350 --> 00:19:58,160
all of their shows that they have done

468
00:20:02,549 --> 00:20:01,360
um some of it goes you know back 60 70

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years but

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everything most of it is available

471
00:20:09,270 --> 00:20:06,880
online you may have to do a little bit

472
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of searching but i assure you it's it's

473
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well worth it you need to go check it

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out and i'm going to give you some

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reasons why right now let me hit this

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long john neville

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n-e-b-e-l

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long john neville

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in new york city

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and the party line

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was

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way

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ahead of its time and at long john's

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peak

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he was doing

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probably

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35 40 to 50

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million people

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per night

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okay

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long john neville

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he had a table set up at w o r

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out of new york city in manhattan

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downtown

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had a table

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with telephones

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had

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microphones and he would bring in every

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single night

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three four five six guests

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and they would sit around the table and

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talk and take phone calls they had

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they had operators

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answering phone calls

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and way ahead

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of the curve

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long john neville covered everything

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all of the subjects he did he did ghosts

509
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he did telepathy of course he did ufos

510
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and and the conspiracies and did did the

511
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the the craziest shows ever

512
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and and he was uh genuinely interested

513
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in the subject

514
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and if you study ufo history

515
00:22:04,310 --> 00:22:01,440
all of those names

516
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that we know today don't they they were

517
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on his show in 1955 56 57 58 he had

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arthur c clarke on his show right

519
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go and check out all of the vintage

520
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broadcasts from long john neville

521
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and another one

522
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that really influenced me was billy

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goodman

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who had his ufo show called coast to

525
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coast

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that's right right before our bell in

527
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las vegas

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ran for a couple of years billy goodman

529
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was a rock and roll dj here in los

530
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angeles

531
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moves uh

532
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to las vegas and starts uh coast to

533
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coast

534
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and billy

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his stuff

536
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if you go and just check billy out for

537
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his bill cooper

538
00:22:54,549 --> 00:22:51,760
stuff

539
00:22:56,710 --> 00:22:54,559
that's that's radio gold

540
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radio gold

541
00:23:00,310 --> 00:22:58,240
so you need to go check that out and i

542
00:23:03,029 --> 00:23:00,320
would get these cassette tapes of billy

543
00:23:06,070 --> 00:23:03,039
goodman i had a friend of mine uh that

544
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had another connection in las vegas and

545
00:23:10,710 --> 00:23:09,120
it was like um especially back then it

546
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was

547
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trading these tapes right okay man i'll

548
00:23:16,149 --> 00:23:14,880
give you this one if you get let me

549
00:23:19,190 --> 00:23:16,159
borrow your

550
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your uh wendell stevens videotape all

551
00:23:23,669 --> 00:23:21,679
right so we trade and then and he would

552
00:23:25,510 --> 00:23:23,679
get his back i get my wendell stevens

553
00:23:27,669 --> 00:23:25,520
video tape back whatever

554
00:23:29,430 --> 00:23:27,679
but billy goodman

555
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influenced

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okay

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and now and there's

558
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one more so write that down billy

559
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goodman out of las vegas

560
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coast to coast

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will go and listen to his shows they're

562
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out there on the net

563
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and the other one an absolute radio gold

564
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and for me changed everything was bill

565
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jenkins

566
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aired on saturdays here in los angeles

567
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on kabc radio

568
00:24:10,070 --> 00:24:08,640
and he did the same thing he had he had

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phone calls

570
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and when you go and listen to you can

571
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get all of his stuff

572
00:24:19,350 --> 00:24:16,320
you go and listen to his shows and back

573
00:24:21,430 --> 00:24:19,360
then they didn't even do uh

574
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area codes

575
00:24:25,909 --> 00:24:23,760
that was the trippy thing man

576
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back in the mid 80s when

577
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when they started like 818 or whatever

578
00:24:35,190 --> 00:24:33,279
uh but there was uh no need for area

579
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codes back then

580
00:24:39,510 --> 00:24:36,480
but anyway

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bill jenkins out of uh kabc

582
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and now there's a a few things that you

583
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need to note here i want you to go and

584
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listen to all of these broadcasts

585
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because

586
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with neville

587
00:24:52,630 --> 00:24:50,960
he covered every major ufo incident he

588
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had all of the players on he had all the

589
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authors the researchers the contactees

590
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all of them right but he never mentioned

591
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roswell

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neville broadcast on wor from the mid

593
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1950s all the way to 1978 and i'm

594
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telling you every researcher

595
00:25:13,750 --> 00:25:11,679
nobody mentioned roswell and you would

596
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think that kenneth arnold would have

597
00:25:17,830 --> 00:25:16,080
mentioned roswell or remembered it and

598
00:25:19,909 --> 00:25:17,840
mentioned it once he was a frequent

599
00:25:21,669 --> 00:25:19,919
guest of long john you can go and listen

600
00:25:23,750 --> 00:25:21,679
to many many shows with them i've

601
00:25:24,630 --> 00:25:23,760
listened to every broadcast kenneth

602
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arnold

603
00:25:30,070 --> 00:25:27,360
never mentioned roswell it's very

604
00:25:33,430 --> 00:25:30,080
strange and then when you go and listen

605
00:25:36,070 --> 00:25:33,440
to some of this earlier radio stuff

606
00:25:39,510 --> 00:25:36,080
that mention roswell

607
00:25:43,510 --> 00:25:39,520
there's bill moore on bill jenkins open

608
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mind program in the mid 80s and even

609
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then

610
00:25:49,750 --> 00:25:46,880
here you know bill moore was more

611
00:25:52,870 --> 00:25:49,760
interested during those broadcasts

612
00:25:55,029 --> 00:25:52,880
with the face on mars

613
00:25:56,710 --> 00:25:55,039
than roswell and he was talking about

614
00:25:58,710 --> 00:25:56,720
his new documents that he's revealing

615
00:26:02,630 --> 00:25:58,720
and everything go and check it out bill

616
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jenkins open mind on kabc

617
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radio

618
00:26:09,590 --> 00:26:06,320
remember bill moore published the

619
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roswell incident in 1980 with charles

620
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burlitz

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well that's right

622
00:26:18,630 --> 00:26:16,000
1980 five years later six years later

623
00:26:20,710 --> 00:26:18,640
when he was on bill jenkins show

624
00:26:24,310 --> 00:26:20,720
didn't really mention roswell

625
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it's very interesting now and this is

626
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this is uh a little project for you guys

627
00:26:31,590 --> 00:26:28,400
just go and check this out

628
00:26:35,190 --> 00:26:31,600
the billy goodman stuff

629
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he had uh i believe he had lazar on that

630
00:26:39,029 --> 00:26:36,640
show

631
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predating everything right

632
00:26:43,510 --> 00:26:40,400
that's right

633
00:26:45,909 --> 00:26:43,520
but it's his stuff with bill cooper

634
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and billy uh when you go and listen to

635
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the programs it seemed like

636
00:26:54,149 --> 00:26:52,480
he had bill cooper on

637
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every show

638
00:26:59,190 --> 00:26:56,640
at least for a period there

639
00:27:01,110 --> 00:26:59,200
bill cooper was uh changing things and

640
00:27:03,430 --> 00:27:01,120
and bill was uh

641
00:27:06,470 --> 00:27:03,440
uh very interested in the ufo subject

642
00:27:08,789 --> 00:27:06,480
they were all going out to area 51

643
00:27:11,029 --> 00:27:08,799
they were uh camping out overnight bill

644
00:27:13,190 --> 00:27:11,039
cooper had a couple of caravans that he

645
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ran out there to groom lake

646
00:27:18,310 --> 00:27:15,840
and all of that is on billy goodman's

647
00:27:22,310 --> 00:27:18,320
show so you should go and check these

648
00:27:24,789 --> 00:27:22,320
programs out because this is what got me

649
00:27:25,750 --> 00:27:24,799
really interested in what i'm doing

650
00:27:28,230 --> 00:27:25,760
today

651
00:27:30,950 --> 00:27:28,240
of course there is our bell

652
00:27:33,590 --> 00:27:30,960
we all love our bell and we know what

653
00:27:35,669 --> 00:27:33,600
arbel did and how he influenced there's

654
00:27:38,710 --> 00:27:35,679
no question about that

655
00:27:41,430 --> 00:27:38,720
but there were people before art that

656
00:27:44,710 --> 00:27:41,440
were doing it and doing it well doing it

657
00:27:48,470 --> 00:27:44,720
right and those three names right there

658
00:27:49,590 --> 00:27:48,480
billy goodman bill jenkins and long john

659
00:27:52,390 --> 00:27:49,600
neville

660
00:27:53,750 --> 00:27:52,400
incredible programs great fun to listen

661
00:27:56,389 --> 00:27:53,760
to at night

662
00:27:59,510 --> 00:27:56,399
and and the stuff that is available

663
00:28:02,470 --> 00:27:59,520
right now online all of the archives are

664
00:28:04,870 --> 00:28:02,480
all uh very clean and easy to listen to

665
00:28:06,630 --> 00:28:04,880
and just think about how easy it is for

666
00:28:09,830 --> 00:28:06,640
us to do that today to go and do this

667
00:28:12,789 --> 00:28:09,840
research and and check out history so go

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00:28:15,990 --> 00:28:12,799
and do it there you go long john neville

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billy goodman and bill jenkins this is

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fade to black i am your host jimmy

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church tonight carrie cassidy project

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from secure team thursday is another

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cassidy stay with me this is fade to

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what's up chris what up this

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all right welcome back payton black i am

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your host jimmy church

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it's

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influencer week

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last night billy carson tonight it is

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carrie cassidy tomorrow night tyler

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glockner of secure team is with us

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thursday night's going to be fader night

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we have theresa yaneras here

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divine frequency on the airwaves

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followed by open lines all night long

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tonight it is kerry

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she is the ceo and founder of project

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camelot

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carrie is a documentary filmmaker

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investigative journalist as well known

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host of project camelot tv broadcasting

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weekly live shows on youtube

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kerry is a leader in the alternative

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media sector with the youtube channel

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that has over 60 million unique viewers

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worldwide and over 218 000 subscribers

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she travels to the world conducting

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interviews and documenting the testimony

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of whistleblowers with above top secret

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clearances as well as authors

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researchers and experiencers covering

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conspiracies the secret space program

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black projects et's kundalini and

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ascension and of course free energy she

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speaks at conferences around the world

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and is considered one of the leaders of

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the disclosure movement and the website

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of course is project

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camelotportal.com and the links are very

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simple to get to over at

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jimmychurchradio.com i would like to

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welcome back to fade to black carrie

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cassidy carrie it's been too long what

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have you been up to

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hey jimmy how are you doing i am

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fantastic carrie hey um a couple of

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things welcome back to the program and

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it was great seeing you uh last week and

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and uh that was just fantastic but i i i

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want to go here first which is this

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oh um actually uh first and foremost uh

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is the doors the doors that's a good

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answer that's a good person okay

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i started out as a poet uh and uh i love

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jim morrison's poetry and the the doors

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and

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that's what really

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kind of made me wanna

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i guess uh hit the big time and be a

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so-called star whatever right right no

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matter how it came

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right and it's because you're just

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creative you were gonna do creative

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things regardless right yeah and because

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i saw the world through uh

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sort of poetic eyes you might say and i

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um i was a voracious reader as a kid and

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i love mysteries

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so uh anything that was mysterious and

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hard to figure out that's what i loved

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and uh

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you know i was also um aware of other

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worlds uh the unseen worlds and so was

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jim morrison he heart back to uh

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rainbow uh and other uh romantic poets

844
00:36:52,390 --> 00:36:50,079
uh etc so

845
00:36:54,630 --> 00:36:52,400
yeah it you know it was really the sort

846
00:36:55,829 --> 00:36:54,640
of 60s vibe

847
00:36:58,310 --> 00:36:55,839
that was

848
00:37:00,390 --> 00:36:58,320
exploring pushing the envelope and and

849
00:37:03,190 --> 00:37:00,400
that was a huge influence on me and my

850
00:37:05,910 --> 00:37:03,200
mind keeping me with an open mind was

851
00:37:09,990 --> 00:37:05,920
there a broadcaster or

852
00:37:13,510 --> 00:37:10,000
author or researcher that

853
00:37:14,030 --> 00:37:13,520
you were reading or interested in

854
00:37:15,510 --> 00:37:14,040
um

855
00:37:18,310 --> 00:37:15,520
[Music]

856
00:37:21,589 --> 00:37:18,320
a broadcaster you know it's really funny

857
00:37:24,630 --> 00:37:21,599
not until art bell probably right um you

858
00:37:26,950 --> 00:37:24,640
know i i was very into music growing

859
00:37:30,230 --> 00:37:26,960
growing up i wanted to be a rock star

860
00:37:32,470 --> 00:37:30,240
right right and um and then i wanted to

861
00:37:34,310 --> 00:37:32,480
make movies so i kind of went from one

862
00:37:36,950 --> 00:37:34,320
to the other uh when i saw close

863
00:37:39,030 --> 00:37:36,960
encounters of the third kind i basically

864
00:37:41,910 --> 00:37:39,040
thought okay this is it

865
00:37:43,829 --> 00:37:41,920
it was like you know a revelation i i

866
00:37:44,630 --> 00:37:43,839
like stood up in the theater and i just

867
00:37:45,510 --> 00:37:44,640
thought

868
00:37:48,150 --> 00:37:45,520
okay

869
00:37:51,349 --> 00:37:48,160
finally it's out it's all it's going to

870
00:37:53,430 --> 00:37:51,359
be everywhere everyone knows now

871
00:37:55,589 --> 00:37:53,440
little did i know that that was

872
00:37:58,790 --> 00:37:55,599
kind of the tip of the iceberg but

873
00:38:00,870 --> 00:37:58,800
at any rate uh yeah you know i was

874
00:38:02,310 --> 00:38:00,880
i was a rebel when i was a kid so i love

875
00:38:05,349 --> 00:38:02,320
james dean

876
00:38:08,710 --> 00:38:05,359
um but as far as radio people uh art

877
00:38:09,910 --> 00:38:08,720
bell was the deal and i i never dreamed

878
00:38:13,670 --> 00:38:09,920
i would be doing

879
00:38:16,470 --> 00:38:13,680
what art bell is or did and has done

880
00:38:18,550 --> 00:38:16,480
um you know i i just it didn't enter my

881
00:38:20,069 --> 00:38:18,560
mind for the longest time although when

882
00:38:22,470 --> 00:38:20,079
i was a kid

883
00:38:25,030 --> 00:38:22,480
uh my dad used to do this thing where he

884
00:38:27,589 --> 00:38:25,040
would let us talk on um

885
00:38:30,069 --> 00:38:27,599
this old-fashioned recording machine

886
00:38:32,470 --> 00:38:30,079
and i always you know really loved that

887
00:38:34,790 --> 00:38:32,480
i was just you know i

888
00:38:37,349 --> 00:38:34,800
i don't know what it is maybe you do

889
00:38:39,030 --> 00:38:37,359
because you're you know like me you you

890
00:38:41,589 --> 00:38:39,040
want to talk

891
00:38:44,150 --> 00:38:41,599
over the sound waves and reach people

892
00:38:46,630 --> 00:38:44,160
and uh and so that seemed very important

893
00:38:50,150 --> 00:38:46,640
but i also studied acting uh you know in

894
00:38:52,630 --> 00:38:50,160
my 20s in new york city and uh was all

895
00:38:55,430 --> 00:38:52,640
about that then i studied directing i

896
00:38:57,750 --> 00:38:55,440
moved to la i wanted to make movies

897
00:39:01,190 --> 00:38:57,760
so you know my background is not

898
00:39:02,470 --> 00:39:01,200
conventional for this sector really even

899
00:39:03,990 --> 00:39:02,480
though i

900
00:39:06,390 --> 00:39:04,000
studied the occult

901
00:39:09,670 --> 00:39:06,400
i was very into that i also was into

902
00:39:12,390 --> 00:39:09,680
kundalini activation so i was into

903
00:39:16,150 --> 00:39:12,400
you know things like um

904
00:39:19,109 --> 00:39:16,160
gandhi and herman hess and connecting

905
00:39:21,750 --> 00:39:19,119
all my chakras and going into deep

906
00:39:23,990 --> 00:39:21,760
meditations and wanting to reach

907
00:39:27,990 --> 00:39:24,000
enlightenment and that there was a big

908
00:39:30,470 --> 00:39:28,000
community in new york that was all about

909
00:39:31,829 --> 00:39:30,480
all of that right

910
00:39:34,230 --> 00:39:31,839
uh well

911
00:39:36,470 --> 00:39:34,240
you know my time in new york was a was a

912
00:39:38,390 --> 00:39:36,480
strange time and i was uh

913
00:39:41,430 --> 00:39:38,400
involved in in some

914
00:39:42,950 --> 00:39:41,440
outside uh recording studio stuff uh i

915
00:39:45,190 --> 00:39:42,960
was going up

916
00:39:49,349 --> 00:39:45,200
and back to

917
00:39:51,109 --> 00:39:49,359
upstate new york and i was uh

918
00:39:54,390 --> 00:39:51,119
what can i say i was i was involved

919
00:39:56,950 --> 00:39:54,400
again with music and so

920
00:39:58,950 --> 00:39:56,960
music and acting i i wasn't uh i wasn't

921
00:40:01,430 --> 00:39:58,960
involved with the community when it came

922
00:40:03,109 --> 00:40:01,440
to the occult i was having visitations

923
00:40:05,910 --> 00:40:03,119
at night

924
00:40:07,349 --> 00:40:05,920
from from beings and i knew i was being

925
00:40:10,630 --> 00:40:07,359
you know i had a long history of

926
00:40:13,190 --> 00:40:10,640
abduction uh i had not clear memories

927
00:40:14,870 --> 00:40:13,200
they were just fleeting memories but i

928
00:40:17,030 --> 00:40:14,880
also went into

929
00:40:18,470 --> 00:40:17,040
i had this these things where at night i

930
00:40:20,470 --> 00:40:18,480
would go to sleep in new york and i

931
00:40:23,030 --> 00:40:20,480
would go into the

932
00:40:25,910 --> 00:40:23,040
walk towards a hill in montauk and

933
00:40:27,910 --> 00:40:25,920
disappear inside the hill

934
00:40:29,190 --> 00:40:27,920
and i don't know after that what

935
00:40:30,790 --> 00:40:29,200
happened

936
00:40:33,910 --> 00:40:30,800
and then the other thing was i was going

937
00:40:36,950 --> 00:40:33,920
to school underground in new york city

938
00:40:39,910 --> 00:40:36,960
at night when i went to sleep so i mean

939
00:40:42,550 --> 00:40:39,920
very very unusual sort of stuff but i i

940
00:40:44,069 --> 00:40:42,560
knew about montauk kind of early on way

941
00:40:47,430 --> 00:40:44,079
before camelot

942
00:40:50,150 --> 00:40:47,440
and i figured that i was being utilized

943
00:40:52,710 --> 00:40:50,160
as part of that experiment somehow

944
00:40:55,109 --> 00:40:52,720
and i actually was living in new york

945
00:40:56,950 --> 00:40:55,119
and left new york right after

946
00:40:59,109 --> 00:40:56,960
uh montauk

947
00:41:01,430 --> 00:40:59,119
blew up in the in the and the thing went

948
00:41:03,510 --> 00:41:01,440
crazy in 1983.

949
00:41:04,470 --> 00:41:03,520
uh i left new york

950
00:41:08,550 --> 00:41:04,480
when

951
00:41:11,510 --> 00:41:08,560
um

952
00:41:14,550 --> 00:41:11,520
were they something that when you woke

953
00:41:17,829 --> 00:41:14,560
up or started to remember them were you

954
00:41:20,470 --> 00:41:17,839
remembering them as real events

955
00:41:22,870 --> 00:41:20,480
or was it just an out of body thing

956
00:41:24,550 --> 00:41:22,880
how were you accepting it in your own

957
00:41:27,430 --> 00:41:24,560
mind

958
00:41:30,230 --> 00:41:27,440
um well some people will actually know

959
00:41:31,589 --> 00:41:30,240
the words to my jaguar song uh if you've

960
00:41:34,309 --> 00:41:31,599
ever listened to the whole thing which

961
00:41:36,550 --> 00:41:34,319
is the camelot theme

962
00:41:38,550 --> 00:41:36,560
and uh it's basically saying there's a

963
00:41:40,470 --> 00:41:38,560
jaguar outside my door stretched out and

964
00:41:43,190 --> 00:41:40,480
purring waiting for more strange shade

965
00:41:45,589 --> 00:41:43,200
of stone deep cad eye green

966
00:41:46,710 --> 00:41:45,599
no one no way to escape no one hears my

967
00:41:49,030 --> 00:41:46,720
scream

968
00:41:51,430 --> 00:41:49,040
uh the jaguar in

969
00:41:54,150 --> 00:41:51,440
in south america symbolizes going into

970
00:41:56,309 --> 00:41:54,160
other dimensions so that's a poem i

971
00:41:57,910 --> 00:41:56,319
wrote and then i turned it into a song

972
00:42:00,230 --> 00:41:57,920
and then later bill said hey why don't

973
00:42:01,670 --> 00:42:00,240
we make this our theme song for camelot

974
00:42:04,470 --> 00:42:01,680
in the early days

975
00:42:07,589 --> 00:42:04,480
so that's kind of the trajectory of the

976
00:42:11,030 --> 00:42:07,599
word of the song jaguar and um

977
00:42:13,990 --> 00:42:11,040
so in my world i was always

978
00:42:16,790 --> 00:42:14,000
straddling two worlds because i i could

979
00:42:18,309 --> 00:42:16,800
see um i developed what you call etheric

980
00:42:21,190 --> 00:42:18,319
site

981
00:42:22,470 --> 00:42:21,200
because i meditated a lot and i i taught

982
00:42:24,710 --> 00:42:22,480
myself and i

983
00:42:26,950 --> 00:42:24,720
i you know i was uh i guess you might

984
00:42:29,270 --> 00:42:26,960
say a real investigator i i really

985
00:42:30,710 --> 00:42:29,280
wanted to know everything that they

986
00:42:33,990 --> 00:42:30,720
wouldn't tell us

987
00:42:35,990 --> 00:42:34,000
so i questioned everything and um i used

988
00:42:38,069 --> 00:42:36,000
to get in trouble when i was a kid for

989
00:42:41,510 --> 00:42:38,079
questioning adults

990
00:42:43,990 --> 00:42:41,520
i'm talking back to teachers all that

991
00:42:46,150 --> 00:42:44,000
so you know all i can say is no i wasn't

992
00:42:48,230 --> 00:42:46,160
part of a community actually i was

993
00:42:49,670 --> 00:42:48,240
something of a rebel and and doing all

994
00:42:52,069 --> 00:42:49,680
of that on my own

995
00:42:56,150 --> 00:42:52,079
when the montauk stuff like you said it

996
00:42:58,069 --> 00:42:56,160
did it did literally blow up in in 1983.

997
00:43:00,550 --> 00:42:58,079
when that started to take off and you

998
00:43:02,950 --> 00:43:00,560
had your own personal experiences with

999
00:43:05,270 --> 00:43:02,960
it what kind of aha moment did you have

1000
00:43:08,550 --> 00:43:05,280
i mean is it like you know oh man this

1001
00:43:13,270 --> 00:43:09,670
um

1002
00:43:15,990 --> 00:43:13,280
i you know again there was no aha moment

1003
00:43:19,109 --> 00:43:16,000
because i'd see i'd been experiencing

1004
00:43:21,670 --> 00:43:19,119
this stuff since a kid um and i just

1005
00:43:23,270 --> 00:43:21,680
knew that other people didn't get it and

1006
00:43:26,950 --> 00:43:23,280
so i

1007
00:43:28,710 --> 00:43:26,960
kept a lot of it to myself gradually as

1008
00:43:30,550 --> 00:43:28,720
i say when close encounters came out and

1009
00:43:32,870 --> 00:43:30,560
they started talking about the whole et

1010
00:43:34,550 --> 00:43:32,880
side of things i thought okay great now

1011
00:43:36,309 --> 00:43:34,560
there's going to be more

1012
00:43:38,550 --> 00:43:36,319
talk about this and

1013
00:43:40,230 --> 00:43:38,560
i mean uh you know i kind of hate to

1014
00:43:41,990 --> 00:43:40,240
remember this stuff but you know i was

1015
00:43:43,030 --> 00:43:42,000
going back and forth to woodstock and i

1016
00:43:45,589 --> 00:43:43,040
remember

1017
00:43:48,150 --> 00:43:45,599
i had some girlfriends who actually

1018
00:43:50,550 --> 00:43:48,160
referred to me as a kind of et

1019
00:43:52,950 --> 00:43:50,560
i don't i don't even know why but i

1020
00:43:56,069 --> 00:43:52,960
always had a lot of knowledge about

1021
00:43:58,150 --> 00:43:56,079
stuff and because i read a lot and most

1022
00:43:59,030 --> 00:43:58,160
people don't grow up reading a lot i

1023
00:44:01,270 --> 00:43:59,040
guess

1024
00:44:03,349 --> 00:44:01,280
unless they're like um you know nerds

1025
00:44:05,349 --> 00:44:03,359
and i wasn't like a nerd kind of person

1026
00:44:08,309 --> 00:44:05,359
at all um

1027
00:44:12,069 --> 00:44:08,319
i i just uh i had a lot of knowledge so

1028
00:44:13,430 --> 00:44:12,079
i i i don't know you know um

1029
00:44:14,550 --> 00:44:13,440
i i don't know if i'm answering our

1030
00:44:17,349 --> 00:44:14,560
question

1031
00:44:19,110 --> 00:44:17,359
well no i i totally get it you see there

1032
00:44:20,230 --> 00:44:19,120
are i would assume

1033
00:44:22,230 --> 00:44:20,240
[Music]

1034
00:44:24,550 --> 00:44:22,240
because this is my own experience that

1035
00:44:26,150 --> 00:44:24,560
when you get a confirmation of something

1036
00:44:28,870 --> 00:44:26,160
you know because you may be asking

1037
00:44:30,309 --> 00:44:28,880
yourself is it me am i going crazy or is

1038
00:44:32,309 --> 00:44:30,319
this really happening and then you get

1039
00:44:33,990 --> 00:44:32,319
something to validate your experience

1040
00:44:36,309 --> 00:44:34,000
and that's when you back up and go okay

1041
00:44:38,870 --> 00:44:36,319
wait a minute okay i gotta take this a

1042
00:44:40,790 --> 00:44:38,880
little more serious so okay i'll tell

1043
00:44:42,790 --> 00:44:40,800
you one thing that happened during those

1044
00:44:43,589 --> 00:44:42,800
years i um

1045
00:45:01,190 --> 00:44:43,599
i

1046
00:45:03,670 --> 00:45:01,200
thought well that was a very strange

1047
00:45:05,829 --> 00:45:03,680
sort of dream experience whatever

1048
00:45:07,990 --> 00:45:05,839
because i i didn't categorize things in

1049
00:45:10,550 --> 00:45:08,000
my life i i had like i said i a

1050
00:45:12,230 --> 00:45:10,560
ridiculously open mind if i dreamed it

1051
00:45:14,950 --> 00:45:12,240
as far as i was concerned it could

1052
00:45:16,309 --> 00:45:14,960
easily have happened either past present

1053
00:45:19,030 --> 00:45:16,319
or future

1054
00:45:22,309 --> 00:45:19,040
so then i went to work and i saw a

1055
00:45:25,430 --> 00:45:22,319
newspaper and it said that salvador dali

1056
00:45:27,349 --> 00:45:25,440
had died that night oh wow

1057
00:45:30,069 --> 00:45:27,359
and i knew that was the man you know i

1058
00:45:32,470 --> 00:45:30,079
knew i even knew remembered where he had

1059
00:45:33,990 --> 00:45:32,480
was like before i saw the article that

1060
00:45:36,710 --> 00:45:34,000
the man that i was counseling was

1061
00:45:37,829 --> 00:45:36,720
somewhere in uh around france or spain

1062
00:45:40,790 --> 00:45:37,839
area

1063
00:45:42,550 --> 00:45:40,800
and you know i just knew it was him so

1064
00:45:44,470 --> 00:45:42,560
that's when i got clued into the fact

1065
00:45:47,030 --> 00:45:44,480
that i was helping you know this is

1066
00:45:49,990 --> 00:45:47,040
something that um

1067
00:45:52,069 --> 00:45:50,000
sort of you might say adepts do uh it's

1068
00:45:54,630 --> 00:45:52,079
just uh it's kind of a normal kind of

1069
00:45:57,349 --> 00:45:54,640
thing is to help people transition from

1070
00:45:58,790 --> 00:45:57,359
death uh out of this world and and kind

1071
00:46:00,870 --> 00:45:58,800
of get their legs

1072
00:46:03,510 --> 00:46:00,880
in terms of uh moving on to other

1073
00:46:05,670 --> 00:46:03,520
dimensions so um

1074
00:46:08,230 --> 00:46:05,680
so when when that happened i thought

1075
00:46:10,150 --> 00:46:08,240
great that's you know a really strong

1076
00:46:11,270 --> 00:46:10,160
affirmation right

1077
00:46:13,270 --> 00:46:11,280
um

1078
00:46:15,829 --> 00:46:13,280
but you know there were lots of small

1079
00:46:18,230 --> 00:46:15,839
affirmations my whole life i i was very

1080
00:46:20,069 --> 00:46:18,240
intuitive and very psychic too

1081
00:46:21,990 --> 00:46:20,079
so i kind of knew what was going to

1082
00:46:23,750 --> 00:46:22,000
happen like i would know if i was going

1083
00:46:26,630 --> 00:46:23,760
to get fired from a job

1084
00:46:29,270 --> 00:46:26,640
i would have a dream the night before

1085
00:46:32,230 --> 00:46:29,280
and then when i was in l.a i i knew like

1086
00:46:33,430 --> 00:46:32,240
one night i had a dream or type of dream

1087
00:46:35,510 --> 00:46:33,440
type of thing

1088
00:46:38,790 --> 00:46:35,520
where my car was towed and i thought oh

1089
00:46:40,950 --> 00:46:38,800
god i hope i so hope this is not going

1090
00:46:42,630 --> 00:46:40,960
to be one of my dreams that comes true

1091
00:46:45,190 --> 00:46:42,640
welcome in the morning went out to get

1092
00:46:48,230 --> 00:46:45,200
my car and sure enough it was gone

1093
00:46:51,750 --> 00:46:48,240
um you know this kind of stuff so

1094
00:46:54,710 --> 00:46:51,760
i you know i i had a lot of i had a lot

1095
00:46:57,430 --> 00:46:54,720
of i did look at my life in a certain

1096
00:47:00,069 --> 00:46:57,440
way i studied science you know i they

1097
00:47:02,069 --> 00:47:00,079
gave you these tests in high school and

1098
00:47:04,790 --> 00:47:02,079
i would score really high in both

1099
00:47:05,910 --> 00:47:04,800
science and art that's a little bit

1100
00:47:07,910 --> 00:47:05,920
unusual

1101
00:47:10,390 --> 00:47:07,920
um and so i would apply like the

1102
00:47:13,510 --> 00:47:10,400
scientific method to my

1103
00:47:17,190 --> 00:47:13,520
sort of wild imagination call it what

1104
00:47:20,150 --> 00:47:17,200
you will dreams visions etc and i would

1105
00:47:22,470 --> 00:47:20,160
try to see if they would be true and if

1106
00:47:24,390 --> 00:47:22,480
so how and if they were off i would try

1107
00:47:27,030 --> 00:47:24,400
to see where were they off

1108
00:47:28,710 --> 00:47:27,040
did i misinterpret it did it not happen

1109
00:47:31,030 --> 00:47:28,720
and i've also had a lot i've been i was

1110
00:47:33,510 --> 00:47:31,040
a precog so i would

1111
00:47:35,750 --> 00:47:33,520
as i say see things before they happen

1112
00:47:39,190 --> 00:47:35,760
and then they would roll out and that's

1113
00:47:40,150 --> 00:47:39,200
gone on now for since my early 20s at

1114
00:47:43,270 --> 00:47:40,160
least

1115
00:47:45,430 --> 00:47:43,280
where i do i have seen the future um and

1116
00:47:47,750 --> 00:47:45,440
even to this day i do see it roll out

1117
00:47:49,349 --> 00:47:47,760
but you know i don't talk about it and i

1118
00:47:52,470 --> 00:47:49,359
also don't

1119
00:47:55,190 --> 00:47:52,480
um depend on it you know i figure we

1120
00:47:57,750 --> 00:47:55,200
have many timelines it's it's also worth

1121
00:48:01,349 --> 00:47:57,760
knowing that i read the seth material uh

1122
00:48:03,829 --> 00:48:01,359
by jane roberts when i was like 12 or

1123
00:48:07,270 --> 00:48:03,839
something wow and

1124
00:48:08,870 --> 00:48:07,280
i mean and and it made sense to me you

1125
00:48:10,950 --> 00:48:08,880
know i didn't really like it all that

1126
00:48:13,670 --> 00:48:10,960
well because i mean i i thought she was

1127
00:48:15,589 --> 00:48:13,680
fabulous but i thought

1128
00:48:17,270 --> 00:48:15,599
the idea that we have so many

1129
00:48:19,349 --> 00:48:17,280
alternative timelines was kind of

1130
00:48:20,950 --> 00:48:19,359
disappointing

1131
00:48:22,470 --> 00:48:20,960
why

1132
00:48:24,309 --> 00:48:22,480
that's interesting

1133
00:48:26,309 --> 00:48:24,319
it's it it's just because when i was a

1134
00:48:28,470 --> 00:48:26,319
kid you know i wanted to think that this

1135
00:48:29,750 --> 00:48:28,480
was it this was the most important

1136
00:48:30,710 --> 00:48:29,760
timeline

1137
00:48:34,069 --> 00:48:30,720
going

1138
00:48:37,670 --> 00:48:34,079
and that it mattered you know um i was

1139
00:48:39,990 --> 00:48:37,680
very passionate so now i'm i'm more okay

1140
00:48:41,670 --> 00:48:40,000
with it than i used to be but

1141
00:48:43,910 --> 00:48:41,680
you know what could i say seth you know

1142
00:48:45,030 --> 00:48:43,920
this seth gives a really good case i

1143
00:48:47,510 --> 00:48:45,040
don't know if you ever read the seth

1144
00:48:49,510 --> 00:48:47,520
material absolutely absolutely all right

1145
00:48:50,950 --> 00:48:49,520
then you know he makes a very good case

1146
00:48:52,470 --> 00:48:50,960
for the fact that we have alternative

1147
00:48:54,870 --> 00:48:52,480
timelines

1148
00:48:56,790 --> 00:48:54,880
though um and when you go i can't

1149
00:48:59,349 --> 00:48:56,800
imagine well you know i kind of read

1150
00:49:01,829 --> 00:48:59,359
casey when i was like eight right so i i

1151
00:49:05,589 --> 00:49:01,839
i can

1152
00:49:07,349 --> 00:49:05,599
that but you know it's somebody

1153
00:49:09,349 --> 00:49:07,359
that is young and impressionable and

1154
00:49:11,510 --> 00:49:09,359
what it did for me and i'm going to ask

1155
00:49:14,309 --> 00:49:11,520
you this question what it did for me was

1156
00:49:16,630 --> 00:49:14,319
just absolutely told me that nothing is

1157
00:49:19,270 --> 00:49:16,640
is what it seems and it's certainly not

1158
00:49:21,430 --> 00:49:19,280
what we are taught and told and that's

1159
00:49:22,390 --> 00:49:21,440
what i got out of that and and when you

1160
00:49:24,870 --> 00:49:22,400
go in

1161
00:49:27,990 --> 00:49:24,880
and read you know jane roberts in the

1162
00:49:29,990 --> 00:49:28,000
seth books uh seth speaks

1163
00:49:33,750 --> 00:49:30,000
what did that do for you do you start

1164
00:49:34,630 --> 00:49:33,760
looking squinty-eyed at everything

1165
00:49:37,270 --> 00:49:34,640
um

1166
00:49:39,670 --> 00:49:37,280
well it validated a lot of things that i

1167
00:49:40,790 --> 00:49:39,680
had hunches on since i was a little kid

1168
00:49:43,109 --> 00:49:40,800
and so

1169
00:49:44,870 --> 00:49:43,119
that was a good thing when i was reading

1170
00:49:46,630 --> 00:49:44,880
you know and i read other literature

1171
00:49:48,390 --> 00:49:46,640
though i don't remember it as well

1172
00:49:49,670 --> 00:49:48,400
strangely i couldn't like quote you the

1173
00:49:52,069 --> 00:49:49,680
books

1174
00:49:54,150 --> 00:49:52,079
um whereas i could that one i'm not sure

1175
00:49:57,030 --> 00:49:54,160
why um i do think that it was quite

1176
00:49:59,990 --> 00:49:57,040
unique in that it really stressed

1177
00:50:02,470 --> 00:50:00,000
that we had so many dividing um sort of

1178
00:50:05,109 --> 00:50:02,480
timelines at every decision point but

1179
00:50:07,670 --> 00:50:05,119
there is a certain through line as well

1180
00:50:09,190 --> 00:50:07,680
um and there there is a certain um

1181
00:50:12,230 --> 00:50:09,200
timeline whatever you want to call it

1182
00:50:14,470 --> 00:50:12,240
that has more emphasis in our reality um

1183
00:50:17,829 --> 00:50:14,480
but that i i started to realize that it

1184
00:50:19,829 --> 00:50:17,839
had to do with your focus and

1185
00:50:21,270 --> 00:50:19,839
it might have influenced the fact that

1186
00:50:25,670 --> 00:50:21,280
um

1187
00:50:27,510 --> 00:50:25,680
i'm not a person who believes in putting

1188
00:50:29,670 --> 00:50:27,520
somebody in jail and throwing away the

1189
00:50:32,069 --> 00:50:29,680
key for example i'm not a person who

1190
00:50:35,510 --> 00:50:32,079
believes in punishment

1191
00:50:37,030 --> 00:50:35,520
um i i do remember one year when i was

1192
00:50:39,589 --> 00:50:37,040
quite young

1193
00:50:40,630 --> 00:50:39,599
and i found out about nazi germany and

1194
00:50:42,790 --> 00:50:40,640
hitler

1195
00:50:45,349 --> 00:50:42,800
and i did not

1196
00:50:47,670 --> 00:50:45,359
uh celebrate christmas that year my my

1197
00:50:50,230 --> 00:50:47,680
family didn't know i didn't celebrate

1198
00:50:52,069 --> 00:50:50,240
christmas that year but i vowed to

1199
00:50:54,950 --> 00:50:52,079
myself that you know there was something

1200
00:50:57,430 --> 00:50:54,960
very wrong with the world and um i was

1201
00:50:59,190 --> 00:50:57,440
devastated when i found out about that

1202
00:51:02,069 --> 00:50:59,200
and so i

1203
00:51:04,870 --> 00:51:02,079
i just i couldn't you know i couldn't

1204
00:51:08,069 --> 00:51:04,880
believe man's inhumanity to man

1205
00:51:10,549 --> 00:51:08,079
and i you know that i guess that really

1206
00:51:13,190 --> 00:51:10,559
affected me i also should say that my

1207
00:51:15,510 --> 00:51:13,200
father died um we went to play tennis he

1208
00:51:18,549 --> 00:51:15,520
died when i was like 16

1209
00:51:20,230 --> 00:51:18,559
um i think 16 going into 17.

1210
00:51:23,109 --> 00:51:20,240
and

1211
00:51:25,990 --> 00:51:23,119
so i had sort of a rude awakening i had

1212
00:51:28,470 --> 00:51:26,000
to grow up after that really fast

1213
00:51:31,430 --> 00:51:28,480
so things kind of encapsulated after

1214
00:51:32,870 --> 00:51:31,440
that did um and i was going to ask you

1215
00:51:35,270 --> 00:51:32,880
this uh

1216
00:51:39,430 --> 00:51:35,280
did your father

1217
00:51:41,349 --> 00:51:39,440
ever visit you after he after he passed

1218
00:51:43,670 --> 00:51:41,359
you know it's a strange thing he might

1219
00:51:46,790 --> 00:51:43,680
have but i don't remember my mother

1220
00:51:49,910 --> 00:51:46,800
passed um when i was much older and uh

1221
00:51:51,910 --> 00:51:49,920
she has visited me i've i've seen her

1222
00:51:55,589 --> 00:51:51,920
she's on another timeline and so and so

1223
00:51:58,230 --> 00:51:55,599
forth but he for some reason is very um

1224
00:52:01,270 --> 00:51:58,240
ephemeral and but i will say one thing

1225
00:52:03,990 --> 00:52:01,280
when i was a kid my grandfather

1226
00:52:06,470 --> 00:52:04,000
used to live in in almost a fairy land

1227
00:52:09,270 --> 00:52:06,480
in his mind and he would talk to us

1228
00:52:10,630 --> 00:52:09,280
about nothing but fairies and elves and

1229
00:52:13,349 --> 00:52:10,640
other worlds

1230
00:52:16,069 --> 00:52:13,359
so having a grandfather like that he and

1231
00:52:19,430 --> 00:52:16,079
i were like in perfect you know

1232
00:52:21,829 --> 00:52:19,440
unison i mean you know i we would joke

1233
00:52:23,589 --> 00:52:21,839
and we would talk and we it was just

1234
00:52:25,430 --> 00:52:23,599
delightful

1235
00:52:28,390 --> 00:52:25,440
it didn't matter if it was true it was

1236
00:52:30,390 --> 00:52:28,400
fun you know it it made life fun so he

1237
00:52:31,750 --> 00:52:30,400
was quite unique in that way

1238
00:52:34,390 --> 00:52:31,760
he didn't know

1239
00:52:38,470 --> 00:52:34,400
when we come back after the break uh

1240
00:52:42,069 --> 00:52:38,480
we're gonna set up uh some of your uh uh

1241
00:52:44,309 --> 00:52:42,079
history of of interviewing and to help

1242
00:52:47,190 --> 00:52:44,319
us do that i want you to think for a

1243
00:52:52,390 --> 00:52:47,200
second do you remember your first

1244
00:52:56,160 --> 00:52:54,549
oh you want me to ask you no answering i

1245
00:52:58,230 --> 00:52:56,170
love the dramatic pause

1246
00:53:00,710 --> 00:52:58,240
[Laughter]

1247
00:53:03,510 --> 00:53:00,720
well done there carrie everybody

1248
00:53:05,990 --> 00:53:03,520
everybody leaned forward for the answer

1249
00:53:07,589 --> 00:53:06,000
what is he gonna say

1250
00:53:10,230 --> 00:53:07,599
yeah who was your first interview do you

1251
00:53:12,630 --> 00:53:10,240
remember in the conspiracy ufo

1252
00:53:13,750 --> 00:53:12,640
genre

1253
00:53:17,670 --> 00:53:13,760
um

1254
00:53:18,630 --> 00:53:17,680
i think it was robert salas

1255
00:53:19,829 --> 00:53:18,640
really

1256
00:53:23,030 --> 00:53:19,839
yeah

1257
00:53:24,470 --> 00:53:23,040
and he lives in oh well i i i can't i

1258
00:53:26,390 --> 00:53:24,480
shouldn't say where he lives i mean he

1259
00:53:30,230 --> 00:53:26,400
lived not that far from me

1260
00:53:32,470 --> 00:53:30,240
and i um i think i met him at one of the

1261
00:53:33,829 --> 00:53:32,480
first conferences i ever attended

1262
00:53:36,309 --> 00:53:33,839
and

1263
00:53:38,069 --> 00:53:36,319
i was i just i was impressed with him

1264
00:53:39,829 --> 00:53:38,079
also because of his native american

1265
00:53:42,150 --> 00:53:39,839
background i have

1266
00:53:43,990 --> 00:53:42,160
probably a little native american blood

1267
00:53:45,190 --> 00:53:44,000
somewhere in there because my father

1268
00:53:47,430 --> 00:53:45,200
seemed to

1269
00:53:49,109 --> 00:53:47,440
you know he he taught brought us through

1270
00:53:51,270 --> 00:53:49,119
the southwest when we were little kids

1271
00:53:53,430 --> 00:53:51,280
and he made give us lectures about how

1272
00:53:54,390 --> 00:53:53,440
important the native americans culture

1273
00:53:56,630 --> 00:53:54,400
were

1274
00:54:00,549 --> 00:53:56,640
and uh we learned all about the hopi and

1275
00:54:03,349 --> 00:54:00,559
the navajo and you know i really

1276
00:54:04,790 --> 00:54:03,359
related to the native americans on some

1277
00:54:06,870 --> 00:54:04,800
intuitive level

1278
00:54:08,549 --> 00:54:06,880
um and

1279
00:54:10,710 --> 00:54:08,559
you know my other sister

1280
00:54:11,829 --> 00:54:10,720
he looks even more native american than

1281
00:54:14,309 --> 00:54:11,839
i do

1282
00:54:17,349 --> 00:54:14,319
and she sometimes even acts it she's

1283
00:54:20,630 --> 00:54:17,359
kind of a different kind of a person and

1284
00:54:21,589 --> 00:54:20,640
so on so my dad had um looked like

1285
00:54:26,470 --> 00:54:21,599
slightly

1286
00:54:28,630 --> 00:54:26,480
was um also spanish

1287
00:54:31,030 --> 00:54:28,640
um i think he was

1288
00:54:33,109 --> 00:54:31,040
what they call castilian or

1289
00:54:35,349 --> 00:54:33,119
he could have even been from the basque

1290
00:54:38,069 --> 00:54:35,359
region i actually now think that he was

1291
00:54:40,230 --> 00:54:38,079
adopted i mean it's a whole long story i

1292
00:54:42,309 --> 00:54:40,240
know nobody was bargaining to get on my

1293
00:54:44,549 --> 00:54:42,319
life story here but you just sort of

1294
00:54:46,870 --> 00:54:44,559
asked me these kinds of questions so

1295
00:54:49,990 --> 00:54:46,880
anyway um all to say that native

1296
00:54:51,589 --> 00:54:50,000
americans sort of had an influence and

1297
00:54:53,430 --> 00:54:51,599
um

1298
00:54:55,990 --> 00:54:53,440
i guess

1299
00:54:58,630 --> 00:54:56,000
that that uh that had to do with why

1300
00:55:00,790 --> 00:54:58,640
robert solis resonated with me and

1301
00:55:03,030 --> 00:55:00,800
intuitively i felt he was telling the

1302
00:55:05,109 --> 00:55:03,040
truth so i went to his house and i had

1303
00:55:08,790 --> 00:55:05,119
no idea what the hell i was doing

1304
00:55:10,230 --> 00:55:08,800
that which was my next question do you

1305
00:55:13,670 --> 00:55:10,240
we've got we've got about one minute

1306
00:55:18,470 --> 00:55:13,680
before the break have you gone back

1307
00:55:20,390 --> 00:55:18,480
and listened or watched this interview

1308
00:55:22,390 --> 00:55:20,400
i think it's on camelot i think i went

1309
00:55:24,790 --> 00:55:22,400
back and edited it and then finally put

1310
00:55:26,470 --> 00:55:24,800
it on camelot because i think maybe i

1311
00:55:28,790 --> 00:55:26,480
kind of forgot about it for a while and

1312
00:55:30,230 --> 00:55:28,800
then i finally did i have to i'd have to

1313
00:55:34,069 --> 00:55:30,240
go look for it right now you know i have

1314
00:55:36,470 --> 00:55:34,079
over 700 interviews on there well but is

1315
00:55:38,390 --> 00:55:36,480
it is it painful

1316
00:55:40,950 --> 00:55:38,400
in that you had you have grown and

1317
00:55:43,349 --> 00:55:40,960
developed as a as an interviewer you

1318
00:55:45,109 --> 00:55:43,359
know over the years and you go back and

1319
00:55:46,790 --> 00:55:45,119
watch or listen to the

1320
00:55:49,589 --> 00:55:46,800
your first stuff

1321
00:55:51,670 --> 00:55:49,599
and and how you have grown and and and

1322
00:55:53,270 --> 00:55:51,680
so forth is is that part of the painful

1323
00:55:56,150 --> 00:55:53,280
because it is for me

1324
00:55:58,150 --> 00:55:56,160
oh no you know but you were doing a

1325
00:56:00,069 --> 00:55:58,160
public thing it's different i just went

1326
00:56:03,829 --> 00:56:00,079
into his house with a camera i was there

1327
00:56:05,910 --> 00:56:03,839
with him and his wife right and and um i

1328
00:56:08,390 --> 00:56:05,920
just hope that they didn't think i was

1329
00:56:10,630 --> 00:56:08,400
you know completely inept um

1330
00:56:12,870 --> 00:56:10,640
my camera was was really

1331
00:56:15,589 --> 00:56:12,880
really laughable little camcorder thing

1332
00:56:17,910 --> 00:56:15,599
and i'm not a technical person so i'm

1333
00:56:20,150 --> 00:56:17,920
lucky if i even turned it on but

1334
00:56:22,470 --> 00:56:20,160
at any rate i

1335
00:56:27,589 --> 00:56:22,480
i will say that i studied journalism

1336
00:56:28,710 --> 00:56:27,599
formal journalism in college so i did um

1337
00:56:30,470 --> 00:56:28,720
do

1338
00:56:31,829 --> 00:56:30,480
stories on

1339
00:56:34,470 --> 00:56:31,839
people you know

1340
00:56:36,230 --> 00:56:34,480
uh as a journalist front page stories

1341
00:56:38,309 --> 00:56:36,240
for the college paper

1342
00:56:40,549 --> 00:56:38,319
so i wasn't you know naive in the

1343
00:56:43,190 --> 00:56:40,559
journalistic sense and the other thing

1344
00:56:44,549 --> 00:56:43,200
is that before camelot i worked for 20

1345
00:56:46,230 --> 00:56:44,559
years in hollywood

1346
00:56:48,789 --> 00:56:46,240
and before that i was trained as an

1347
00:56:51,430 --> 00:56:48,799
actress and i was in a few commercials

1348
00:56:54,069 --> 00:56:51,440
you know i'm not a complete

1349
00:56:55,990 --> 00:56:54,079
idiot so i can carry on a conversation

1350
00:56:59,109 --> 00:56:56,000
uh you know it wasn't rocket science to

1351
00:57:01,510 --> 00:56:59,119
be honest he did most of the work i can

1352
00:57:03,510 --> 00:57:01,520
say that i noticed right away that my

1353
00:57:07,109 --> 00:57:03,520
intuition my

1354
00:57:09,190 --> 00:57:07,119
intuitive sense of people was kicking in

1355
00:57:11,030 --> 00:57:09,200
right then and there and i

1356
00:57:12,710 --> 00:57:11,040
think i i don't i'd have to go back and

1357
00:57:14,789 --> 00:57:12,720
listen but i might have gotten a few

1358
00:57:16,150 --> 00:57:14,799
things out of him that he didn't

1359
00:57:18,150 --> 00:57:16,160
necessarily

1360
00:57:20,390 --> 00:57:18,160
prepare himself to say which is

1361
00:57:21,349 --> 00:57:20,400
something i do all the time now

1362
00:57:24,069 --> 00:57:21,359
um

1363
00:57:25,990 --> 00:57:24,079
but these were just early signs of stuff

1364
00:57:28,069 --> 00:57:26,000
uh you know i don't think it's that bad

1365
00:57:30,390 --> 00:57:28,079
i think he he you know it's his story

1366
00:57:32,870 --> 00:57:30,400
and that's what's actually true of

1367
00:57:35,589 --> 00:57:32,880
interviews in general i mean i do the

1368
00:57:37,510 --> 00:57:35,599
best i can to draw the person out but

1369
00:57:39,670 --> 00:57:37,520
it's it's they're they're the ones on

1370
00:57:41,109 --> 00:57:39,680
stage really they're the ones you know

1371
00:57:44,630 --> 00:57:41,119
on the hot seat if you want to call it

1372
00:57:47,109 --> 00:57:44,640
that and they carry the ball so he did

1373
00:57:49,349 --> 00:57:47,119
all the work really let's take a break

1374
00:57:51,670 --> 00:57:49,359
right here our guest tonight is carrie

1375
00:57:53,829 --> 00:57:51,680
cassidy a project camelot night two of

1376
00:57:55,910 --> 00:57:53,839
our influencer week here on fade to

1377
00:57:57,910 --> 00:57:55,920
black i'm your host jimmy church we're

1378
00:57:59,670 --> 00:57:57,920
going to pick up where we are leaving

1379
00:58:01,430 --> 00:57:59,680
off right now this is fade to black i'm

1380
00:58:04,069 --> 00:58:01,440
your host jimmy church follow me on

1381
00:58:06,710 --> 00:58:04,079
twitter at j church radio you can follow

1382
00:58:07,670 --> 00:58:06,720
carrie at is it project camelot on

1383
00:58:08,789 --> 00:58:07,680
twitter

1384
00:58:11,510 --> 00:58:08,799
carrie

1385
00:58:19,140 --> 00:58:11,520
yep project camelot on twitter i'll be

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all right welcome back fade to black i

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am your host jimmy church

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influencer week here last night billy

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carson tonight carrie cassidy of project

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camelot

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tomorrow night tyler glockner of secure

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team

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and of course thursday night's fader

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night open lines all night long tonight

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it is carrie cassidy now carrie

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you

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uh okay let's let's talk about a little

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bit of history here you were one of the

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original youtubers um you recognized

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very early on the power of the internet

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and

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everything that

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uh we all take for granted today but you

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guys uh certainly had the vision on how

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to utilize uh social media which back

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then was was in its infancy uh compared

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to now we've you know uh progressed so

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quickly um how do you how did you handle

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that back then and where did the ideas

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come from to

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to

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pursue uh well i mean i taught myself

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film editing and uh picked up a consumer

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grade camcorder and decided i was fed up

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with hollywood um i couldn't get movies

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made i wanted to make sci-fi

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blockbusters i was shopping movies to uh

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people like the story person for

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um

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for james cameron for ridley scott and

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for steven spielberg to kathleen kennedy

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for example and

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i had some great projects i was already

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sort of going along the lines i didn't

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know it at the time of course but um

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of you know i wanted to do basically

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with what spielberg did for me with

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close encounters so um

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i you know that that was my

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motivator

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and then uh when i connected with bill

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um i went you know i just started doing

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a few

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interviews and i started making what was

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in essence a ufo documentary

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and bill was going to be one of my

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witnesses in that documentary i heard

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about the serpo project we were on a

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joint news group

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uh that this guy named victor martinez

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had started and he

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we didn't know at the time but he was i

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think helped to some degree behind the

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scenes by the intelligence agencies at

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any rate it had a lot of intelligence

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agents on it

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um and hopefully that's not an oxymoron

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but at any rate um

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right right we had a lot of journalists

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on it on it and bill was on it and you

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got had to be invited to join it i have

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no idea actually to this day exactly how

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i got on that list but

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um i became aware that bill had

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volunteered to organize onto a website

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the serpo material

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and um

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whereas i wasn't interested in bill at

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all

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because he was simply a webmaster in my

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eyes i did see that the people were

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gravitating towards the serpo story

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and so that year at the um

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i think it was the laughlin ufo

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conference that was happening in either

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february march uh and this when this

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happened when i was looking into it was

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2005

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it was actually october november and so

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i sent bill ryan an email saying would

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you like to do an interview

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and he said yes

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so i i've told this story before so i

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walked up with my consumer grade

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camcorder i had no crew whatsoever no

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lights no nothing i said are you ready

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for your interview and he kind of looked

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at me dubiously because he had just done

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an interview with

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guys that had all the lights and cameras

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and bells and whistles because he was

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speaking at the conference at that year

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as the spokesperson for the serpo

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project

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so i

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you know i was kind of nonchalant and i

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figured [\h__\h] it if he doesn't want to do

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01:07:52,150 --> 01:07:50,160
the interview i don't care because he's

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a webmaster

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and um but he then he kind of warmed to

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the idea then we i had interviewed right

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before him bill hamilton and bill

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01:08:03,670 --> 01:08:02,319
hamilton is a fascinating guy if you've

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01:08:05,990 --> 01:08:03,680
never heard my interview with bill

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01:08:07,349 --> 01:08:06,000
hamilton it's on camelot and i really

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01:08:10,069 --> 01:08:07,359
recommend it

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um and he was one of my first very early

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01:08:14,710 --> 01:08:12,640
interviews and we uh we really got into

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01:08:17,990 --> 01:08:14,720
his whole deal and it was quite

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01:08:20,070 --> 01:08:18,000
fascinating so i was quite happy after

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01:08:21,990 --> 01:08:20,080
that interview and that was done like

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01:08:23,189 --> 01:08:22,000
the night before so that day i

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01:08:25,189 --> 01:08:23,199
interviewed bill

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and what eventually happened you know we

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connected we went to didn't agile i had

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01:08:33,189 --> 01:08:30,640
past life recall of the time of arthur

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01:08:35,749 --> 01:08:33,199
we were inspired by the round table king

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01:08:37,669 --> 01:08:35,759
arthur round table and the idea of a

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01:08:39,269 --> 01:08:37,679
utopian society that was not

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01:08:41,669 --> 01:08:39,279
hierarchical

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and uh so we both wanted to get the

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01:08:46,950 --> 01:08:43,600
truth out about the whole

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01:08:48,630 --> 01:08:46,960
et ufo situation and we decided to

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01:08:50,550 --> 01:08:48,640
dedicate ourselves right then and there

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01:08:53,510 --> 01:08:50,560
and create a project

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01:08:56,070 --> 01:08:53,520
bill was internet friendly in that he

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01:08:58,950 --> 01:08:56,080
could build a website right

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i um had actually

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01:09:03,110 --> 01:09:01,600
done that interview with him and it was

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01:09:05,349 --> 01:09:03,120
actually

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01:09:07,590 --> 01:09:05,359
surprisingly successful

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01:09:10,149 --> 01:09:07,600
i created a website not knowing what the

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01:09:12,470 --> 01:09:10,159
hell i was doing out of um

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01:09:14,149 --> 01:09:12,480
some you know how they used to have like

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01:09:15,590 --> 01:09:14,159
these well i guess they still have them

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01:09:17,430 --> 01:09:15,600
where you can kind of make a dummy

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01:09:18,309 --> 01:09:17,440
website and you put in all your own

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01:09:20,309 --> 01:09:18,319
stuff

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01:09:23,590 --> 01:09:20,319
but you don't really do any coding or

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01:09:26,149 --> 01:09:23,600
anything like that and so i made my own

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01:09:27,829 --> 01:09:26,159
and um strangely enough i have no idea

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01:09:29,910 --> 01:09:27,839
why i did this but i do go with my

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01:09:31,430 --> 01:09:29,920
intuition on on things

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01:09:33,829 --> 01:09:31,440
and i put

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01:09:35,669 --> 01:09:33,839
what in essence speak is the montauk

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01:09:37,590 --> 01:09:35,679
horse i don't know if you ever got into

1653
01:09:40,229 --> 01:09:37,600
the whole symbolism behind montauk but

1654
01:09:43,430 --> 01:09:40,239
there's a special horse that is symbolic

1655
01:09:46,309 --> 01:09:43,440
of that project yes and strangely i put

1656
01:09:48,149 --> 01:09:46,319
that as my logo in the front or whatever

1657
01:09:49,269 --> 01:09:48,159
of this strange website i created and

1658
01:09:50,550 --> 01:09:49,279
then i

1659
01:09:53,110 --> 01:09:50,560
i um

1660
01:09:54,870 --> 01:09:53,120
i also had a startup and i i called it

1661
01:09:57,030 --> 01:09:54,880
wake i think i called it something like

1662
01:09:59,510 --> 01:09:57,040
waking the dreamer

1663
01:10:02,630 --> 01:09:59,520
and it was based on a poem

1664
01:10:05,350 --> 01:10:02,640
that title and anyway bill was my first

1665
01:10:07,189 --> 01:10:05,360
interview on there and uh so

1666
01:10:09,270 --> 01:10:07,199
i kind of you know

1667
01:10:11,030 --> 01:10:09,280
i knew that i already and i started my

1668
01:10:13,030 --> 01:10:11,040
youtube i also joined youtube as a

1669
01:10:15,110 --> 01:10:13,040
director and because i'd worked in

1670
01:10:17,510 --> 01:10:15,120
hollywood and i had actually directed my

1671
01:10:19,830 --> 01:10:17,520
own short film

1672
01:10:22,790 --> 01:10:19,840
you know that i shot on location i stole

1673
01:10:23,590 --> 01:10:22,800
all the locations i wrote the screenplay

1674
01:10:26,310 --> 01:10:23,600
um

1675
01:10:28,950 --> 01:10:26,320
you know i was already kind of teaching

1676
01:10:31,990 --> 01:10:28,960
myself everything i could do and i also

1677
01:10:35,030 --> 01:10:32,000
um i worked back in those days for a

1678
01:10:38,229 --> 01:10:35,040
lawyer in warner brothers

1679
01:10:40,470 --> 01:10:38,239
entertainment section that was part of

1680
01:10:42,310 --> 01:10:40,480
the whole online

1681
01:10:44,550 --> 01:10:42,320
drive that warner brothers was getting

1682
01:10:46,390 --> 01:10:44,560
into at the time in la

1683
01:10:48,390 --> 01:10:46,400
and so i

1684
01:10:50,709 --> 01:10:48,400
there was lots of techies around me and

1685
01:10:53,270 --> 01:10:50,719
so i just i've always been able to kind

1686
01:10:55,910 --> 01:10:53,280
of learn by osmosis and somehow i just

1687
01:10:58,390 --> 01:10:55,920
paid a lot of attention and every time

1688
01:11:00,550 --> 01:10:58,400
something new came along

1689
01:11:02,550 --> 01:11:00,560
i tried to teach it to myself

1690
01:11:05,750 --> 01:11:02,560
i even tried to teach myself a bit of

1691
01:11:07,590 --> 01:11:05,760
html but i didn't really like it so i

1692
01:11:09,750 --> 01:11:07,600
didn't go very far with it but i did

1693
01:11:12,470 --> 01:11:09,760
learn some rudimentary stuff

1694
01:11:14,950 --> 01:11:12,480
anyway so those were the early days and

1695
01:11:16,870 --> 01:11:14,960
uh then i taught myself film editing i

1696
01:11:18,709 --> 01:11:16,880
picked up the consumer grade this you

1697
01:11:20,229 --> 01:11:18,719
know when i learned i had been a

1698
01:11:21,750 --> 01:11:20,239
photographer actually a still

1699
01:11:24,310 --> 01:11:21,760
photographer

1700
01:11:26,790 --> 01:11:24,320
prior to college i studied photography

1701
01:11:29,750 --> 01:11:26,800
then i studied it in santa cruz with the

1702
01:11:31,110 --> 01:11:29,760
protege of ansel adams um his name was

1703
01:11:33,830 --> 01:11:31,120
ted orland

1704
01:11:35,830 --> 01:11:33,840
and he brought me aside he said there's

1705
01:11:38,310 --> 01:11:35,840
one time in a teacher's life when they

1706
01:11:40,229 --> 01:11:38,320
come across a very very talented person

1707
01:11:42,149 --> 01:11:40,239
and they you know want to help them to

1708
01:11:44,790 --> 01:11:42,159
move along so he thought i was going to

1709
01:11:46,950 --> 01:11:44,800
get into still photography

1710
01:11:49,430 --> 01:11:46,960
but i turned to him and i said actually

1711
01:11:50,950 --> 01:11:49,440
i want to make movies

1712
01:11:53,430 --> 01:11:50,960
which kind of

1713
01:11:55,669 --> 01:11:53,440
blew it for him but at any rate um

1714
01:11:57,510 --> 01:11:55,679
that's what i did and then

1715
01:12:00,390 --> 01:11:57,520
i know this is kind of long-winded but

1716
01:12:02,310 --> 01:12:00,400
you're asking so um then brooke shields

1717
01:12:04,390 --> 01:12:02,320
if you remember the young actress brooke

1718
01:12:07,750 --> 01:12:04,400
shields she was very young then she was

1719
01:12:10,390 --> 01:12:07,760
starring in a a movie called tilt and

1720
01:12:11,750 --> 01:12:10,400
tilt came to santa cruz where i was

1721
01:12:15,590 --> 01:12:11,760
waitressing

1722
01:12:17,590 --> 01:12:15,600
as a um i was in a coffee bar uh sort of

1723
01:12:19,030 --> 01:12:17,600
up this place called the greenhouse and

1724
01:12:22,709 --> 01:12:19,040
um

1725
01:12:24,550 --> 01:12:22,719
and and i was an extra in the movie and

1726
01:12:25,830 --> 01:12:24,560
uh of course with my movie background of

1727
01:12:27,830 --> 01:12:25,840
course then

1728
01:12:29,750 --> 01:12:27,840
i met the producer and the director and

1729
01:12:31,669 --> 01:12:29,760
the producer i had some talks with him

1730
01:12:33,430 --> 01:12:31,679
and he basically said to me he came to

1731
01:12:36,550 --> 01:12:33,440
the restaurant one day and he said

1732
01:12:38,550 --> 01:12:36,560
listen if you want to go make movies

1733
01:12:40,229 --> 01:12:38,560
then you are in the wrong place and you

1734
01:12:42,630 --> 01:12:40,239
need to pack your bags tomorrow you need

1735
01:12:45,430 --> 01:12:42,640
to get the hell out of this potent town

1736
01:12:47,910 --> 01:12:45,440
you know and go make it in the big time

1737
01:12:49,189 --> 01:12:47,920
you need to go to los angeles

1738
01:12:52,630 --> 01:12:49,199
and so

1739
01:12:54,790 --> 01:12:52,640
i literally did that i went home i told

1740
01:12:57,430 --> 01:12:54,800
my boyfriend we were breaking up

1741
01:12:59,350 --> 01:12:57,440
i said i'm going and i'm packing my bags

1742
01:13:01,110 --> 01:12:59,360
and i think this man is right i'm

1743
01:13:02,550 --> 01:13:01,120
wasting my time here

1744
01:13:04,870 --> 01:13:02,560
and um

1745
01:13:07,110 --> 01:13:04,880
and i like i don't know a week or two

1746
01:13:08,950 --> 01:13:07,120
later i had found a place to stay in la

1747
01:13:10,870 --> 01:13:08,960
and i moved and then he eventually

1748
01:13:13,750 --> 01:13:10,880
followed me we got a house together we

1749
01:13:17,590 --> 01:13:13,760
did break up but you know that's history

1750
01:13:20,149 --> 01:13:17,600
the early days with youtube and this is

1751
01:13:23,430 --> 01:13:20,159
what i if if you can correct me i'm i i

1752
01:13:25,189 --> 01:13:23,440
could be wrong here but everybody had it

1753
01:13:27,430 --> 01:13:25,199
seemed like there was restrictions and a

1754
01:13:29,750 --> 01:13:27,440
lot of it i'm talking about time right

1755
01:13:31,669 --> 01:13:29,760
the length of videos yep

1756
01:13:33,590 --> 01:13:31,679
and there you know it was bandwidth and

1757
01:13:35,830 --> 01:13:33,600
there's lots of other issues there and

1758
01:13:39,910 --> 01:13:35,840
getting stuff to stream right but

1759
01:13:42,390 --> 01:13:39,920
um you i remember this is what drew me

1760
01:13:44,390 --> 01:13:42,400
uh to your stuff was that you were like

1761
01:13:48,310 --> 01:13:44,400
one of the first that i remember that

1762
01:13:49,430 --> 01:13:48,320
had like full full-length videos yeah

1763
01:13:53,270 --> 01:13:49,440
how did you

1764
01:13:55,189 --> 01:13:53,280
pull that off

1765
01:13:57,189 --> 01:13:55,199
um because i was a youtube director i

1766
01:13:59,990 --> 01:13:57,199
was one of the early there were only a

1767
01:14:01,590 --> 01:14:00,000
few of us i i don't know the numbers but

1768
01:14:03,270 --> 01:14:01,600
i remember that when they put out the

1769
01:14:05,110 --> 01:14:03,280
notice they said if you'd like to be a

1770
01:14:07,990 --> 01:14:05,120
youtube director you're part of the

1771
01:14:10,630 --> 01:14:08,000
startup you know group the people that

1772
01:14:14,229 --> 01:14:10,640
are kind of i guess adopting this

1773
01:14:16,070 --> 01:14:14,239
place you know early right and so i you

1774
01:14:18,550 --> 01:14:16,080
know i had studied to be a director in

1775
01:14:20,870 --> 01:14:18,560
hollywood i i you know i studied acting

1776
01:14:21,990 --> 01:14:20,880
i saw myself as a director you know

1777
01:14:24,709 --> 01:14:22,000
although

1778
01:14:27,669 --> 01:14:24,719
my actual chops and and resume were

1779
01:14:30,950 --> 01:14:27,679
wasn't really so together but so i wrote

1780
01:14:32,390 --> 01:14:30,960
to them i think and i i had also gone to

1781
01:14:34,709 --> 01:14:32,400
film school so i had letters of

1782
01:14:37,990 --> 01:14:34,719
recommendation from places like the

1783
01:14:40,070 --> 01:14:38,000
major talent agencies like caa um

1784
01:14:42,470 --> 01:14:40,080
creative artist agency and

1785
01:14:44,470 --> 01:14:42,480
um you know various places i'd done you

1786
01:14:46,550 --> 01:14:44,480
know i'd been a reader in hollywood i'd

1787
01:14:48,149 --> 01:14:46,560
been an independent producer by that

1788
01:14:49,270 --> 01:14:48,159
time i was trying to package my own

1789
01:14:50,790 --> 01:14:49,280
projects

1790
01:14:53,750 --> 01:14:50,800
all of this so

1791
01:14:55,270 --> 01:14:53,760
i was qualified enough and they they

1792
01:14:57,110 --> 01:14:55,280
brought me on as a director it was what

1793
01:14:59,830 --> 01:14:57,120
you call a director a director meant

1794
01:15:02,149 --> 01:14:59,840
that you could have videos i think there

1795
01:15:03,030 --> 01:15:02,159
was some kind of limit but it's like 10

1796
01:15:05,430 --> 01:15:03,040
minutes

1797
01:15:07,270 --> 01:15:05,440
four years to two hours or more yeah it

1798
01:15:08,790 --> 01:15:07,280
was like 10 minutes right everything on

1799
01:15:10,950 --> 01:15:08,800
youtube was 10 minutes

1800
01:15:12,790 --> 01:15:10,960
uh was the maximum and so you would have

1801
01:15:14,229 --> 01:15:12,800
to string these videos along and watch

1802
01:15:15,270 --> 01:15:14,239
them in a row

1803
01:15:18,790 --> 01:15:15,280
you know what i mean they would they

1804
01:15:20,390 --> 01:15:18,800
would cut them up but you had uh

1805
01:15:21,669 --> 01:15:20,400
these interviews up there and i could

1806
01:15:22,550 --> 01:15:21,679
watch them

1807
01:15:32,229 --> 01:15:22,560
uh

1808
01:15:35,030 --> 01:15:32,239
what's the word i want to say

1809
01:15:38,149 --> 01:15:35,040
you had a one-up on everybody else and

1810
01:15:40,550 --> 01:15:38,159
so we could go to you and you had all of

1811
01:15:42,149 --> 01:15:40,560
the uh the researchers and the authors

1812
01:15:44,149 --> 01:15:42,159
that we wanted to hear from but you had

1813
01:15:47,430 --> 01:15:44,159
it in full length

1814
01:15:49,669 --> 01:15:47,440
yeah well also keep in mind that i think

1815
01:15:50,950 --> 01:15:49,679
we did hit the zeitgeist at just the

1816
01:15:54,310 --> 01:15:50,960
right time

1817
01:15:56,790 --> 01:15:54,320
you know we um we were rebels and we

1818
01:15:59,510 --> 01:15:56,800
wanted to in essence change the world

1819
01:16:02,070 --> 01:15:59,520
and we knew that stephen greer had

1820
01:16:03,590 --> 01:16:02,080
written a book but he had film footage

1821
01:16:05,189 --> 01:16:03,600
that he wouldn't release because it

1822
01:16:07,110 --> 01:16:05,199
wasn't hollywood

1823
01:16:10,070 --> 01:16:07,120
you know quality

1824
01:16:13,910 --> 01:16:10,080
and i just you know having i kind of

1825
01:16:16,070 --> 01:16:13,920
came from the mtv generation of you know

1826
01:16:17,750 --> 01:16:16,080
guerrilla i call it guerrilla filmmaking

1827
01:16:21,270 --> 01:16:17,760
i went to film school i wanted to be an

1828
01:16:23,510 --> 01:16:21,280
auteur you know i believe that you know

1829
01:16:25,110 --> 01:16:23,520
creative vision was everything and all

1830
01:16:26,870 --> 01:16:25,120
that stuff so

1831
01:16:29,590 --> 01:16:26,880
basically um

1832
01:16:33,669 --> 01:16:29,600
you know that that's that was my kind of

1833
01:16:36,870 --> 01:16:33,679
vision and then when i got with bill um

1834
01:16:39,030 --> 01:16:36,880
and we got together to do this project

1835
01:16:41,350 --> 01:16:39,040
we we decided we would change the world

1836
01:16:43,990 --> 01:16:41,360
we didn't know that people would like

1837
01:16:46,790 --> 01:16:44,000
our stuff but we knew that we wanted to

1838
01:16:49,430 --> 01:16:46,800
interview people from above top secret

1839
01:16:52,790 --> 01:16:49,440
and of course i had my consumer grade

1840
01:16:54,950 --> 01:16:52,800
camcorder and mr x is the first

1841
01:16:57,590 --> 01:16:54,960
interview we did together

1842
01:16:59,189 --> 01:16:57,600
and that was shot down in uh southern

1843
01:17:02,630 --> 01:16:59,199
california at what's called the

1844
01:17:05,350 --> 01:17:02,640
integraton which is actually uh it's

1845
01:17:06,390 --> 01:17:05,360
it's an amazing energy place now that i

1846
01:17:07,430 --> 01:17:06,400
you know

1847
01:17:09,830 --> 01:17:07,440
know

1848
01:17:12,390 --> 01:17:09,840
more than i did back in the day and

1849
01:17:15,189 --> 01:17:12,400
i can say it's almost fortuitous because

1850
01:17:18,470 --> 01:17:15,199
that's where big rock is that's where

1851
01:17:20,709 --> 01:17:18,480
fred um not fred um frank

1852
01:17:22,550 --> 01:17:20,719
what's his name um you know

1853
01:17:26,550 --> 01:17:22,560
met with the tall what you know tall

1854
01:17:29,590 --> 01:17:26,560
blondes and george van george van tassel

1855
01:17:31,910 --> 01:17:29,600
him as well but no there's lots of like

1856
01:17:33,830 --> 01:17:31,920
ufo history in that area and we

1857
01:17:36,630 --> 01:17:33,840
literally stayed overnight

1858
01:17:39,270 --> 01:17:36,640
the night before in a tent in joshua

1859
01:17:42,550 --> 01:17:39,280
tree like in a campground it was very

1860
01:17:45,350 --> 01:17:42,560
spooky um out there in the desert i mean

1861
01:17:47,750 --> 01:17:45,360
it is it is like an and a whole ufo i

1862
01:17:49,830 --> 01:17:47,760
forget the name of the um sci-fi movie

1863
01:17:51,510 --> 01:17:49,840
but there's a sci-fi movie that was shot

1864
01:17:54,070 --> 01:17:51,520
there with all those

1865
01:17:56,550 --> 01:17:54,080
um satellite dishes and all those

1866
01:17:59,030 --> 01:17:56,560
windmills and stuff that look almost so

1867
01:18:00,550 --> 01:17:59,040
alien the whole place looks alien really

1868
01:18:02,310 --> 01:18:00,560
so it's um

1869
01:18:05,110 --> 01:18:02,320
it was very suitable for our first

1870
01:18:07,350 --> 01:18:05,120
interview and mr x was a legitimate

1871
01:18:10,630 --> 01:18:07,360
above top secret witness so

1872
01:18:14,550 --> 01:18:10,640
somehow we caught the imagination of

1873
01:18:17,110 --> 01:18:14,560
of the people out there and we did blog

1874
01:18:19,590 --> 01:18:17,120
you know in writing what kind of what we

1875
01:18:21,430 --> 01:18:19,600
were doing what was coming next and

1876
01:18:24,070 --> 01:18:21,440
literally we're traveling the world with

1877
01:18:25,350 --> 01:18:24,080
a camera which nobody did

1878
01:18:35,750 --> 01:18:25,360
and

1879
01:18:38,630 --> 01:18:35,760
they were literally um waiting on the

1880
01:18:42,149 --> 01:18:38,640
edge of their seats like at that time

1881
01:18:44,149 --> 01:18:42,159
and uh i we know this for a fact we get

1882
01:18:45,510 --> 01:18:44,159
emails like with people saying when is

1883
01:18:46,229 --> 01:18:45,520
this coming out when is this coming out

1884
01:18:47,830 --> 01:18:46,239
and

1885
01:18:49,990 --> 01:18:47,840
one of the people who made us wait the

1886
01:18:52,070 --> 01:18:50,000
longest after the interview because he

1887
01:18:54,070 --> 01:18:52,080
had to have it vetted by the pentagon

1888
01:18:56,390 --> 01:18:54,080
was um

1889
01:18:57,270 --> 01:18:56,400
pete peterson and

1890
01:19:00,149 --> 01:18:57,280
that

1891
01:19:02,149 --> 01:19:00,159
month people just went crazy i mean the

1892
01:19:03,910 --> 01:19:02,159
guy made us wait and wait and wait and

1893
01:19:06,470 --> 01:19:03,920
we kept promising it

1894
01:19:08,790 --> 01:19:06,480
and um i just remember how crazy people

1895
01:19:10,229 --> 01:19:08,800
got over waiting for that interview

1896
01:19:11,910 --> 01:19:10,239
and you know we interviewed david

1897
01:19:14,390 --> 01:19:11,920
wilcock he was actually going into

1898
01:19:16,390 --> 01:19:14,400
hiding when i interviewed him

1899
01:19:18,630 --> 01:19:16,400
he came back onto the scene as a result

1900
01:19:21,669 --> 01:19:18,640
of our interview in many ways

1901
01:19:25,030 --> 01:19:21,679
and in fact that seemed to be the magic

1902
01:19:27,510 --> 01:19:25,040
of camelot we would go to somebody and i

1903
01:19:30,070 --> 01:19:27,520
we i like to look for the ones who

1904
01:19:33,030 --> 01:19:30,080
people said oh they're not true they're

1905
01:19:35,270 --> 01:19:33,040
lying this or that so in addition to the

1906
01:19:37,030 --> 01:19:35,280
unknowns i would always gravitate to

1907
01:19:38,390 --> 01:19:37,040
somebody that some everyone else said

1908
01:19:39,669 --> 01:19:38,400
was lying

1909
01:19:41,590 --> 01:19:39,679
so

1910
01:19:43,750 --> 01:19:41,600
and we would turn it around we for that

1911
01:19:45,590 --> 01:19:43,760
person we would you know we would talk

1912
01:19:48,310 --> 01:19:45,600
to them and interview them

1913
01:19:50,709 --> 01:19:48,320
and give them those two hours of face

1914
01:19:53,189 --> 01:19:50,719
time on the internet that nobody else

1915
01:19:55,669 --> 01:19:53,199
got these were not sound bites you could

1916
01:19:58,630 --> 01:19:55,679
really get a feel for the person in

1917
01:20:00,870 --> 01:19:58,640
those interviews how has youtube changed

1918
01:20:03,110 --> 01:20:00,880
for you over the years since you were

1919
01:20:04,870 --> 01:20:03,120
you know uh you know you were there from

1920
01:20:06,950 --> 01:20:04,880
the very beginning

1921
01:20:08,950 --> 01:20:06,960
and today it's it's certainly a

1922
01:20:12,550 --> 01:20:08,960
different animal how has it changed for

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01:20:13,669 --> 01:20:12,560
you do you approach it differently

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um

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well it's gotten easier in some ways to

1926
01:20:20,310 --> 01:20:18,719
reach the audience but everyone's doing

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what i did

1928
01:20:23,990 --> 01:20:23,040
so everyone does what i do including you

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i mean

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it's not unusual anymore back then we

1931
01:20:31,830 --> 01:20:29,840
were like almost the only game in town

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there was a few others there were some

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01:20:35,910 --> 01:20:33,679
that had come up through you know

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01:20:38,630 --> 01:20:35,920
writing articles and things people like

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01:20:40,870 --> 01:20:38,640
paula harris and linda molten howe but

1936
01:20:43,270 --> 01:20:40,880
we were the ones who picked up the the

1937
01:20:45,830 --> 01:20:43,280
camera and really you know went went at

1938
01:20:48,229 --> 01:20:45,840
it that way and also in the

1939
01:20:49,189 --> 01:20:48,239
avant-garde style that i chose

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01:20:55,110 --> 01:20:49,199
so

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fact it's become the way of the internet

1942
01:20:58,950 --> 01:20:56,640
and um

1943
01:21:01,830 --> 01:20:58,960
and of youtube and

1944
01:21:04,390 --> 01:21:01,840
youtube is um well they've tried to kick

1945
01:21:06,470 --> 01:21:04,400
me off a couple times uh you know they

1946
01:21:07,750 --> 01:21:06,480
gave me strikes because i interviewed

1947
01:21:10,310 --> 01:21:07,760
people about

1948
01:21:12,550 --> 01:21:10,320
false flags and if you say the word

1949
01:21:14,550 --> 01:21:12,560
false flags

1950
01:21:15,510 --> 01:21:14,560
they they'll throw you off youtube i

1951
01:21:19,669 --> 01:21:15,520
mean

1952
01:21:21,270 --> 01:21:19,679
the place has become very uh crazed like

1953
01:21:24,310 --> 01:21:21,280
censorship

1954
01:21:27,110 --> 01:21:24,320
ally really and um so you do have to

1955
01:21:29,830 --> 01:21:27,120
watch it now what you do what you say

1956
01:21:30,669 --> 01:21:29,840
um they you know this whole nonsense

1957
01:21:32,229 --> 01:21:30,679
about

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01:21:37,590 --> 01:21:32,239
conspiracy

1959
01:21:40,070 --> 01:21:37,600
um that sort of bad mouthing of that

1960
01:21:41,910 --> 01:21:40,080
notion and yet when two or more people

1961
01:21:43,750 --> 01:21:41,920
get together to plan anything it can be

1962
01:21:46,390 --> 01:21:43,760
called a conspiracy

1963
01:21:49,270 --> 01:21:46,400
and um that's going on every minute of

1964
01:21:51,350 --> 01:21:49,280
every day around the world and if those

1965
01:21:53,990 --> 01:21:51,360
particular people happen to be members

1966
01:21:57,030 --> 01:21:54,000
of intelligence agencies members of the

1967
01:22:00,070 --> 01:21:57,040
military members of governments then you

1968
01:22:02,629 --> 01:22:00,080
get into a whole new you know land and

1969
01:22:05,270 --> 01:22:02,639
it is a conspiracy and our lives are run

1970
01:22:06,310 --> 01:22:05,280
by conspiracies as far as i'm concerned

1971
01:22:10,310 --> 01:22:06,320
so

1972
01:22:13,350 --> 01:22:10,320
youtube has become a kind of a minefield

1973
01:22:16,709 --> 01:22:13,360
in a way it's also um i mean we've had

1974
01:22:18,790 --> 01:22:16,719
people go back in and test to see if

1975
01:22:21,110 --> 01:22:18,800
you're getting the number of hits that

1976
01:22:23,350 --> 01:22:21,120
you think you're getting and finding out

1977
01:22:24,470 --> 01:22:23,360
that youtube is also fudging those

1978
01:22:27,110 --> 01:22:24,480
results

1979
01:22:29,270 --> 01:22:27,120
um lying about the number of you know to

1980
01:22:32,149 --> 01:22:29,280
keep us down to keep certain channels

1981
01:22:34,790 --> 01:22:32,159
down because they don't want you to go

1982
01:22:37,350 --> 01:22:34,800
as far as you could they keep they throw

1983
01:22:39,990 --> 01:22:37,360
road you know things like roadblocks in

1984
01:22:41,669 --> 01:22:40,000
your way to screw with you one of the

1985
01:22:43,750 --> 01:22:41,679
latest things they've done i don't know

1986
01:22:45,110 --> 01:22:43,760
how recently they did this but

1987
01:22:47,830 --> 01:22:45,120
you know it's it's not enough to

1988
01:22:50,390 --> 01:22:47,840
subscribe to somebody's youtube now you

1989
01:22:53,430 --> 01:22:50,400
have to [\h__\h] push sorry yeah yeah no

1990
01:22:55,270 --> 01:22:53,440
no no bad language

1991
01:22:57,030 --> 01:22:55,280
you have to freaking

1992
01:22:59,910 --> 01:22:57,040
push a bell

1993
01:23:01,750 --> 01:22:59,920
to to tell them to send you notices when

1994
01:23:05,910 --> 01:23:01,760
they go live and when they you know i

1995
01:23:07,910 --> 01:23:05,920
mean come on you know like another step

1996
01:23:09,910 --> 01:23:07,920
so you know you work so hard to get

1997
01:23:12,149 --> 01:23:09,920
subscribers and you work so hard to get

1998
01:23:15,910 --> 01:23:12,159
you know viewers and all of that

1999
01:23:16,870 --> 01:23:15,920
and um they take 45 of your revenue from

2000
01:23:20,470 --> 01:23:16,880
ads

2001
01:23:21,830 --> 01:23:20,480
and that's way too much they don't do

2002
01:23:24,870 --> 01:23:21,840
[\h__\h] all

2003
01:23:27,750 --> 01:23:24,880
okay easy now easy now gary i've got a

2004
01:23:30,149 --> 01:23:27,760
lot of kids that listen to this show

2005
01:23:33,910 --> 01:23:30,159
like ten percent like when an agency

2006
01:23:36,149 --> 01:23:33,920
gets they're 15 max i mean get a grip

2007
01:23:39,189 --> 01:23:36,159
youtube's listening and i hope they are

2008
01:23:41,270 --> 01:23:39,199
well no they they might be but this does

2009
01:23:42,870 --> 01:23:41,280
broadcast out on i heart radio too as

2010
01:23:44,629 --> 01:23:42,880
well now i've got to go back and clean

2011
01:23:46,310 --> 01:23:44,639
everything up

2012
01:23:49,510 --> 01:23:46,320
but that's that's okay

2013
01:23:51,590 --> 01:23:49,520
see i don't i don't know about a whole

2014
01:23:53,270 --> 01:23:51,600
lot of of that kind of stuff when it

2015
01:23:54,709 --> 01:23:53,280
comes to youtube listening to you talk

2016
01:23:55,910 --> 01:23:54,719
about it is

2017
01:23:57,830 --> 01:23:55,920
um

2018
01:23:59,830 --> 01:23:57,840
it's pretty surprising to me we don't

2019
01:24:03,510 --> 01:23:59,840
use youtube is

2020
01:24:06,550 --> 01:24:03,520
is like a tenth of a percent of our

2021
01:24:10,790 --> 01:24:06,560
listenership right it's very very small

2022
01:24:13,189 --> 01:24:10,800
we only use youtube to archive that's it

2023
01:24:14,870 --> 01:24:13,199
right and so i don't pursue subscribers

2024
01:24:17,910 --> 01:24:14,880
i don't know how many subscribers we

2025
01:24:20,629 --> 01:24:17,920
have i don't you know i i i have no idea

2026
01:24:21,669 --> 01:24:20,639
about the the social part of it i do

2027
01:24:22,629 --> 01:24:21,679
know

2028
01:24:25,030 --> 01:24:22,639
uh

2029
01:24:27,750 --> 01:24:25,040
the you know i'm up on what happened to

2030
01:24:29,590 --> 01:24:27,760
alex jones and and and what is breaking

2031
01:24:32,149 --> 01:24:29,600
in the news and everything else but for

2032
01:24:34,149 --> 01:24:32,159
us it's such a small part of what we do

2033
01:24:35,830 --> 01:24:34,159
you know we yeah but that's only because

2034
01:24:37,590 --> 01:24:35,840
you got onto what what is that

2035
01:24:39,830 --> 01:24:37,600
mainstream radio

2036
01:24:42,790 --> 01:24:39,840
uh-huh yeah well they wouldn't let me on

2037
01:24:45,750 --> 01:24:42,800
mainstream audio you do know that

2038
01:24:47,669 --> 01:24:45,760
oh you know that's not true

2039
01:24:49,030 --> 01:24:47,679
yeah we're about to find out

2040
01:24:52,149 --> 01:24:49,040
if someone thinks they're going to offer

2041
01:24:54,070 --> 01:24:52,159
me that listen uh you know it this is a

2042
01:24:56,149 --> 01:24:54,080
fact you haven't you noticed that i

2043
01:24:57,590 --> 01:24:56,159
don't speak at contact in the desert or

2044
01:24:59,910 --> 01:24:57,600
any of these other

2045
01:25:01,270 --> 01:24:59,920
venues where you're speaking lately what

2046
01:25:03,910 --> 01:25:01,280
is that

2047
01:25:05,990 --> 01:25:03,920
non-grata i am miss dangerous i am the

2048
01:25:08,709 --> 01:25:06,000
one who knows too much

2049
01:25:11,830 --> 01:25:08,719
and i was told that recently uh by a

2050
01:25:13,510 --> 01:25:11,840
couple sources but is that my choice

2051
01:25:16,390 --> 01:25:13,520
that you don't speak at these events i

2052
01:25:18,950 --> 01:25:16,400
mean i i i've had people go you know

2053
01:25:21,510 --> 01:25:18,960
pitch hit for me try to get me recruited

2054
01:25:23,830 --> 01:25:21,520
to be able to speak at these things they

2055
01:25:25,590 --> 01:25:23,840
they're just they are afraid of me you

2056
01:25:26,950 --> 01:25:25,600
know they really are why do why do you

2057
01:25:29,430 --> 01:25:26,960
think that's true

2058
01:25:32,709 --> 01:25:29,440
because i i tell it like it is well we

2059
01:25:35,030 --> 01:25:32,719
know that but and i also have an ability

2060
01:25:37,990 --> 01:25:35,040
to move people i mean people come up to

2061
01:25:40,550 --> 01:25:38,000
me all the time and say to me

2062
01:25:42,629 --> 01:25:40,560
you are the real thing and what they

2063
01:25:44,550 --> 01:25:42,639
mean is there is a lot of posers out

2064
01:25:46,310 --> 01:25:44,560
there and you know so there are a lot of

2065
01:25:47,910 --> 01:25:46,320
people doing what i do but there are

2066
01:25:50,390 --> 01:25:47,920
also a lot of people

2067
01:25:52,790 --> 01:25:50,400
misleading the public not really asking

2068
01:25:55,910 --> 01:25:52,800
the good hard questions not really

2069
01:25:58,950 --> 01:25:55,920
digging in to see what's really going on

2070
01:26:01,270 --> 01:25:58,960
with the witnesses um look i had terry

2071
01:26:03,910 --> 01:26:01,280
loveless on my show i sent you a message

2072
01:26:06,629 --> 01:26:03,920
about it that's right the fact is that

2073
01:26:08,629 --> 01:26:06,639
night after he got off my show he got

2074
01:26:10,870 --> 01:26:08,639
some kind of sudden

2075
01:26:13,750 --> 01:26:10,880
i don't even know what it is growth like

2076
01:26:16,229 --> 01:26:13,760
a basketball or baseball size thing he

2077
01:26:18,310 --> 01:26:16,239
had to be rushed to the hospital

2078
01:26:20,790 --> 01:26:18,320
he's recovering it looks like maybe they

2079
01:26:22,709 --> 01:26:20,800
didn't kill him he was told literally by

2080
01:26:24,790 --> 01:26:22,719
the e.t that came into his living room

2081
01:26:26,950 --> 01:26:24,800
right before he published his book you

2082
01:26:29,270 --> 01:26:26,960
know your government's going to kill you

2083
01:26:33,189 --> 01:26:29,280
or well my hosts don't are not very

2084
01:26:35,350 --> 01:26:33,199
happy either if you publish your book

2085
01:26:37,669 --> 01:26:35,360
and you know i read his book but i also

2086
01:26:39,830 --> 01:26:37,679
go into some of the things that i knew

2087
01:26:41,669 --> 01:26:39,840
were in the book that they are going to

2088
01:26:42,950 --> 01:26:41,679
try to downplay and that other

2089
01:26:46,149 --> 01:26:42,960
interviewers

2090
01:26:48,070 --> 01:26:46,159
might not bring to light you know but i

2091
01:26:51,030 --> 01:26:48,080
know where the goods are buried i know

2092
01:26:51,990 --> 01:26:51,040
where the gold is hidden in their hills

2093
01:26:53,189 --> 01:26:52,000
you know

2094
01:26:54,229 --> 01:26:53,199
um

2095
01:26:57,030 --> 01:26:54,239
so

2096
01:26:59,030 --> 01:26:57,040
go ahead ask me

2097
01:27:02,830 --> 01:26:59,040
it's just interesting how

2098
01:27:06,070 --> 01:27:02,840
uh today how different uh people

2099
01:27:09,510 --> 01:27:06,080
approach uh social media that that do

2100
01:27:12,149 --> 01:27:09,520
influence and that have a large fan base

2101
01:27:14,070 --> 01:27:12,159
and and a lot of influence out there and

2102
01:27:16,950 --> 01:27:14,080
so we're gonna take a break right now

2103
01:27:18,950 --> 01:27:16,960
but when we come back i wanna know uh

2104
01:27:22,070 --> 01:27:18,960
some of your secrets and how you do

2105
01:27:24,790 --> 01:27:22,080
approach social media because now when

2106
01:27:28,390 --> 01:27:24,800
you influence so many you can change

2107
01:27:30,390 --> 01:27:28,400
minds in in a nanosecond and that's it's

2108
01:27:31,669 --> 01:27:30,400
an interesting time that we live in so

2109
01:27:34,149 --> 01:27:31,679
let's take a break right here our guest

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01:27:36,149 --> 01:27:34,159
tonight is carrie cassidy project

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01:27:38,550 --> 01:27:36,159
camelot i am your host jimmy church this

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is fade to black tomorrow night i want

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glockner of secure team is here a night

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revolution is on radio

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[Music]

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all right welcome back fade to black i'm

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your host jimmy church tonight carrie

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cassidy project camelot is with us

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night two of influencer week

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here on fade to black

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and she has been influencing for a long

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time and

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carrie before we get into social media

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and i do want to discuss this is such an

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important topic but

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when you first started did you have any

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idea that in 2018 we will be discussing

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how you have influenced the community

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for so long did you have any idea

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um no not really i mean i uh

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i i've always planned to to change the

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world so in that sense uh you know i

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kind of studied to figure out i mean in

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college i studied social change that was

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that was my major

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um

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you know i was interested in influencing

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people uh from a young age you know i

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didn't i thought i would do it through

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making movies and before that uh being a

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rock star but

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you know uh

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i wanted to change the world i took a

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look around here when i was a little kid

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and said okay that's it this place needs

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to change big time

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and so

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you know i guess i i didn't know how i

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would get there and i i think it's kind

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of amazing the trajectory that i was on

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because it was so unconventional

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and um

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i don't know it's it's very weird but no

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i had no idea i we had no idea that

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camelot would be

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so popular and that

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i didn't know that donations would keep

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me alive all these years later

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and um

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i mean i make money off of advertising

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on youtube and donations and that is

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about it

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so um you know that's that's it

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and when you look back you just

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mentioned uh you know 700 uh interviews

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is there somebody that you

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didn't get a chance to interview that

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maybe is no longer with this or is there

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somebody out there that you would like

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uh well there are a lot of people out

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there that i'd like to interview and

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haven't and have tried um you know i

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want to interview julian assange i want

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to interview edward snowden i want to

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interview bobby ray inman i want to

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interview

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bobby ray

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right

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and you know uh the head of mj told the

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real head of mj12 not some guy who's out

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there saying is uh

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and you know so and so forth so um and

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i'm happy to interview

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more than just alien human hybrids which

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is just the norm as far as i'm concerned

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because we're all alien human hybrids um

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and

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as far as the ones that got away arthur

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c clarke right he tried to get an

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interview with him right before he died

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i i like to think that they didn't kill

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him so we couldn't interview him you

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know what i'm saying right

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but

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i can't be sure of even that

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um i'm very happy i got in there to

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interview william tompkins before he

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died um they told him

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basically he couldn't speak to me and

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shortly after that he died uh you know

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what can i tell you uh it's yeah it's a

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wild playing field out there but sure

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there's ones that got away

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um there may be a few others that uh

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that died

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now

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social media today i

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and i look back like we all do

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you know to 1995 1994 what the internet

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was back then or the lack of the

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internet

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and what it is developed into today we

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have to approach things

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uh very methodically and

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you have a very large uh social

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footprint out there

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um how do you approach it do you are you

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on facebook

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yes

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okay

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and so do you want jimmy you mean you're

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not my facebook friend i don't even

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follow that stuff anymore that's so

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stupid i know i i i can i can check i

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mean to be honest with you i don't use

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uh social media like some people do um

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to tell people that i just went jogging

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and i'm really glad

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uh

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that's what i use it for use it for for

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personal reasons i use it for uh for

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publicity i see it as a publicity tool

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and that's how i use it and if people

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talk to me on facebook and where and

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vice you know various things um twitter

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for example is a great way to reach me

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uh twitter messages behind the scenes

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so i'll notice it

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because my email is always inundated and

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i miss a lot on email

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but yeah i use everything i can get my

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hands on more or less although i don't

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you know i don't bring on a lot of sort

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of obscure stuff uh

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and it does drive me crazy i mean

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there's so much out there uh but

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i'm very thankful for it because without

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it i couldn't stay alive and i couldn't

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reach the people so i use it as a way to

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reach the people

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and what about twitter do you approach

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that differently

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um no again it's not personal it's it's

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it's public uh

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every once in a really great while i'll

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post if you pay attention to my facebook

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i will occasionally like there's a

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picture of me and my boyfriend

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right uh you know in yosemite i mean

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that's a very rare kind of thing you'll

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ever see but

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you know just out of exuberance and

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having fun during the summer or

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something i might have posted that

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um but generally if you look in my whole

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history of posts i mean there's very

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little about me personally it's always

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about my shows and do do you think uh

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well i kind of know your answer to this

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knowing you but

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do you think that there is a a

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ball type of conspiracy

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with the social media uh companies

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to censor and to clamp down where they

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are working together not necessarily

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individually but like what happened with

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alex jones you know to have all of that

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go down and within a few hours of each

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other it certainly seems to me that they

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were all face timing right and

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discussing what they were going to do in

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advance do you think that really goes on

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absolutely i mean somehow they get a

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notice i don't know how i i do think

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they have intelligence agencies working

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for them for one thing

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um that are embedded if you want to call

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it that uh

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the fact is that uh if your name is

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james fetzer

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you get a red flag no matter where you

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go nowadays because of his emphasis on

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false flags and because he's such an

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amazing scholar

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uh an ex-marine and you know

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a college professor that's written i

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don't know some astronomical number of

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books over 10. um

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and he documents you know documents

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everything with uh you know

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incredible research

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and they're scared to death of them so

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they you know any that's why i got

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flagged two or three times almost got my

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youtube channel removed um

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it but if if he toes the line like i

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actually did another interview because i

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have a tendency to kind of

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bait the tiger so to speak um

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and so i um did an interview after all

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that with him but he didn't talk about

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anything controversial we didn't go into

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the mind control manchurian candidate

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aspect of you know vegas or all these

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different you know latest things that

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are going on i mean they are really

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afraid of their their modus operandi has

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now been discovered and that false flags

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are kind of like their biggest calling

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card that's the way they keep the

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population cowed afraid

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is by you know and now the latest way

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they're doing it is through weather wars

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and you know then the fires in

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california and you know and the

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hurricanes they're always making

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hurricanes and directing them you know

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at people and and at areas of the united

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states that they want to take down i

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mean you know this this is a whole

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ongoing war as far as i'm concerned and

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yes social media is right in the thick

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of it

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um

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certain people that write for veterans

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today

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like uh preston james who's a fabulous

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writer and writes some very fascinating

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articles um i you cannot post a link to

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his articles they will not allow it i

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mean the guy is freaking banned from

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facebook and all he's done is written

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articles perfectly legitimate researched

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articles very intelligent and you know i

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mean

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it is a war out there there's no doubt

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about it and the fact that i've survived

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this so far maybe because i'm the you

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know don't kill the messenger i'm the

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interviewer

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um

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i don't know you know so far so good but

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it's very you know it can be very dicey

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and

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i mean i've been told our our website is

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banned in countries we've we've got

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three urls now to reach us by because

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you know germany bans us i mean in i've

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gotten reports from people lots of

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places

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ban us um

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so it's project camelot dot tv project

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camelot portal.com and project

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camelot.org

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and hopefully they haven't banned us

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under all those urls but you never know

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um

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why do you use it

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i mean i got stopped and searched it in

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the uk airport and right in front of

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everyone all the you know all the

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terrorists got to walk free that day but

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i was searched ah

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it was your jacket

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but but

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but see this is the thing is it

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is it the is it the content in general

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or is it conspiracies or is it is it is

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it the knowledge of ufos you know is

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there

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a sub genre down here that is is causing

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the issues that they're interested in i

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i know because you know keep in mind you

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can't uh

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you can't

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01:42:58,390 --> 01:42:53,920
sort of uh take someone to task or to to

2465
01:43:00,149 --> 01:42:58,400
or or do a trial on a ufo subject that's

2466
01:43:03,270 --> 01:43:00,159
why gary mckinnon

2467
01:43:05,510 --> 01:43:03,280
never went to real trial he was tried

2468
01:43:08,629 --> 01:43:05,520
under the fact that he supposedly had

2469
01:43:11,510 --> 01:43:08,639
asperger's and you know in other words

2470
01:43:14,390 --> 01:43:11,520
they never let him admit into evidence

2471
01:43:16,870 --> 01:43:14,400
the fact that he had actually found

2472
01:43:19,910 --> 01:43:16,880
evidence of ufos and fleet to fleet

2473
01:43:21,910 --> 01:43:19,920
transfers and off world officers lists

2474
01:43:25,109 --> 01:43:21,920
of officers i mean

2475
01:43:28,310 --> 01:43:25,119
get real no that's the one loophole that

2476
01:43:30,709 --> 01:43:28,320
when it changes i will be public enemy

2477
01:43:33,350 --> 01:43:30,719
number one because

2478
01:43:35,910 --> 01:43:33,360
you're not allowed to talk look they

2479
01:43:38,229 --> 01:43:35,920
can't take you to court over a ufo case

2480
01:43:40,629 --> 01:43:38,239
now in england they do have an

2481
01:43:43,590 --> 01:43:40,639
antiquated law that lets them take kids

2482
01:43:46,790 --> 01:43:43,600
away from their parents who admitted

2483
01:43:49,430 --> 01:43:46,800
admit to dealing with et's yeah yeah

2484
01:43:50,830 --> 01:43:49,440
i've heard that but what what i find

2485
01:43:53,109 --> 01:43:50,840
interesting

2486
01:43:56,950 --> 01:43:53,119
is with

2487
01:43:59,669 --> 01:43:56,960
the ability for google and the nsa to

2488
01:44:00,629 --> 01:43:59,679
censor monitor block and control web

2489
01:44:03,270 --> 01:44:00,639
traffic

2490
01:44:07,030 --> 01:44:03,280
but yet wikileaks

2491
01:44:09,669 --> 01:44:07,040
manages to run unscathed and

2492
01:44:11,910 --> 01:44:09,679
and and do these document dumps so i've

2493
01:44:14,629 --> 01:44:11,920
i've always wondered

2494
01:44:16,709 --> 01:44:14,639
how julian assange is able to keep

2495
01:44:19,189 --> 01:44:16,719
things running over there if

2496
01:44:21,109 --> 01:44:19,199
if you wanted to run interference i mean

2497
01:44:23,910 --> 01:44:21,119
wikileaks he's not dealing with ufos for

2498
01:44:27,590 --> 01:44:23,920
one thing but on the other hand he has

2499
01:44:29,590 --> 01:44:27,600
he has not much uh the the bottom line

2500
01:44:31,590 --> 01:44:29,600
is that

2501
01:44:32,830 --> 01:44:31,600
he's being fed by certain intelligence

2502
01:44:37,030 --> 01:44:32,840
agencies

2503
01:44:38,070 --> 01:44:37,040
and uh you know the zionist uh side of

2504
01:44:38,950 --> 01:44:38,080
israel

2505
01:44:41,030 --> 01:44:38,960
you know

2506
01:44:44,229 --> 01:44:41,040
don't forget that's a big

2507
01:44:47,030 --> 01:44:44,239
sort of foot in in the pond so to speak

2508
01:44:49,189 --> 01:44:47,040
and uh so it's it's yeah it's a complex

2509
01:44:50,470 --> 01:44:49,199
game but this stuff is going on you can

2510
01:44:52,709 --> 01:44:50,480
definitely you want to look for

2511
01:44:55,189 --> 01:44:52,719
censorship and you want to follow the

2512
01:44:57,430 --> 01:44:55,199
sort of threads and the and the clues

2513
01:45:00,149 --> 01:44:57,440
it's there believe me oh i've watched

2514
01:45:02,790 --> 01:45:00,159
the way they censor me not only by not

2515
01:45:05,189 --> 01:45:02,800
letting me speak at major conferences i

2516
01:45:08,310 --> 01:45:05,199
have to have my own but aside from that

2517
01:45:10,870 --> 01:45:08,320
is by screwing with my technology no

2518
01:45:13,350 --> 01:45:10,880
matter what i do you know one time i had

2519
01:45:15,430 --> 01:45:13,360
linda molten hal on my show the last

2520
01:45:17,590 --> 01:45:15,440
thing they want is for two people like

2521
01:45:20,229 --> 01:45:17,600
us to talk to each other you wouldn't

2522
01:45:21,669 --> 01:45:20,239
believe the interference on that show

2523
01:45:23,669 --> 01:45:21,679
and you know from day to day my

2524
01:45:25,750 --> 01:45:23,679
technology doesn't change it stays the

2525
01:45:28,149 --> 01:45:25,760
same so when they really want to

2526
01:45:31,270 --> 01:45:28,159
interfere i mean i've had them knock

2527
01:45:33,750 --> 01:45:31,280
um people completely off youtube and

2528
01:45:36,870 --> 01:45:33,760
close my channel like the whole thing

2529
01:45:39,270 --> 01:45:36,880
come down and and there's no way this

2530
01:45:41,350 --> 01:45:39,280
can happen without them shooting a pulse

2531
01:45:43,430 --> 01:45:41,360
at your computer so they're they're

2532
01:45:44,550 --> 01:45:43,440
always there they're always monitoring

2533
01:45:46,390 --> 01:45:44,560
and in fact

2534
01:45:47,990 --> 01:45:46,400
it's it i mean over the years it's

2535
01:45:49,510 --> 01:45:48,000
gotten so

2536
01:45:51,910 --> 01:45:49,520
they wouldn't even

2537
01:45:53,350 --> 01:45:51,920
have a trump have trouble with my guest

2538
01:45:55,510 --> 01:45:53,360
but they would interfere with every

2539
01:45:57,750 --> 01:45:55,520
other word i said

2540
01:46:01,990 --> 01:45:57,760
it's been crazy i mean i've monitored

2541
01:46:03,510 --> 01:46:02,000
this for years and all i can tell you is

2542
01:46:05,910 --> 01:46:03,520
you're not paranoid when they're really

2543
01:46:09,350 --> 01:46:05,920
out to get you well you've been uh

2544
01:46:11,750 --> 01:46:09,360
pushing for disclosure from you know

2545
01:46:14,550 --> 01:46:11,760
virtually day one and

2546
01:46:17,109 --> 01:46:14,560
you're you're covering of all of this

2547
01:46:18,709 --> 01:46:17,119
2018 was a pretty dramatic year when we

2548
01:46:20,870 --> 01:46:18,719
did what uh

2549
01:46:22,310 --> 01:46:20,880
and going back to december of 2017 it

2550
01:46:25,590 --> 01:46:22,320
goes without saying with the new york

2551
01:46:28,070 --> 01:46:25,600
times and cnn and fox and the coverage

2552
01:46:31,270 --> 01:46:28,080
that that went global

2553
01:46:33,189 --> 01:46:31,280
um it seemed like we were making some

2554
01:46:36,390 --> 01:46:33,199
pro like something

2555
01:46:38,550 --> 01:46:36,400
was tangible but suddenly

2556
01:46:40,709 --> 01:46:38,560
uh how do you feel about that

2557
01:46:43,350 --> 01:46:40,719
change there their approach they have

2558
01:46:45,669 --> 01:46:43,360
changed their approach because now

2559
01:46:48,229 --> 01:46:45,679
uh there is evidence that certain et

2560
01:46:50,550 --> 01:46:48,239
groups have had it that they want humans

2561
01:46:53,189 --> 01:46:50,560
to to wake up and to know that they're

2562
01:46:55,910 --> 01:46:53,199
there first of all and two the gloves

2563
01:46:57,910 --> 01:46:55,920
are off there's a certain point a couple

2564
01:46:59,830 --> 01:46:57,920
years ago not too many when the

2565
01:47:01,830 --> 01:46:59,840
satanists decided

2566
01:47:04,870 --> 01:47:01,840
to just come out as who they are and

2567
01:47:05,750 --> 01:47:04,880
they were proud of it and they freaking

2568
01:47:09,350 --> 01:47:05,760
have

2569
01:47:12,310 --> 01:47:09,360
and so you know this stuff is now coming

2570
01:47:14,149 --> 01:47:12,320
out more and more and look the deep

2571
01:47:19,510 --> 01:47:14,159
space program

2572
01:47:22,950 --> 01:47:19,520
mainly the one run by the us and the

2573
01:47:24,470 --> 01:47:22,960
five eyes and russia's in there as well

2574
01:47:27,030 --> 01:47:24,480
um look

2575
01:47:29,910 --> 01:47:27,040
they're dealing with problems that are

2576
01:47:31,830 --> 01:47:29,920
much bigger than you know humans like me

2577
01:47:33,669 --> 01:47:31,840
and you or somebody out there telling

2578
01:47:36,070 --> 01:47:33,679
the truth to other humans they're

2579
01:47:38,229 --> 01:47:36,080
dealing with off-world cultures now that

2580
01:47:40,229 --> 01:47:38,239
and and ai to say nothing about

2581
01:47:42,390 --> 01:47:40,239
artificial intelligence coming from

2582
01:47:44,790 --> 01:47:42,400
aliens all right

2583
01:47:47,030 --> 01:47:44,800
coming to our planet i mean their

2584
01:47:48,310 --> 01:47:47,040
playing field has gotten so much more

2585
01:47:50,629 --> 01:47:48,320
complex

2586
01:47:53,350 --> 01:47:50,639
and the bottom line is they need all the

2587
01:47:55,910 --> 01:47:53,360
help they can get and i think that you

2588
01:47:58,950 --> 01:47:55,920
know in the process of eliminating a

2589
01:48:01,030 --> 01:47:58,960
good part of the uh sort of useless

2590
01:48:02,550 --> 01:48:01,040
eaters as they call them which they are

2591
01:48:04,629 --> 01:48:02,560
obviously

2592
01:48:07,990 --> 01:48:04,639
hell bent to do uh turning this into a

2593
01:48:11,189 --> 01:48:08,000
methane-rich radiation-rich environment

2594
01:48:14,950 --> 01:48:11,199
uh making it home much more friendly to

2595
01:48:17,350 --> 01:48:14,960
reptilians and grays um they are in the

2596
01:48:20,709 --> 01:48:17,360
process of trying to weed the wheat from

2597
01:48:23,189 --> 01:48:20,719
the chaff and if you can handle this

2598
01:48:26,390 --> 01:48:23,199
atmosphere then they want you they want

2599
01:48:28,950 --> 01:48:26,400
your genetics they want your kids etc

2600
01:48:32,790 --> 01:48:28,960
um you know they want the strongest to

2601
01:48:35,430 --> 01:48:32,800
survive as always uh so this is the game

2602
01:48:37,830 --> 01:48:35,440
being played and um why would the new

2603
01:48:40,229 --> 01:48:37,840
york closure it's part of that game it's

2604
01:48:42,790 --> 01:48:40,239
not you know disclosure isn't just some

2605
01:48:45,270 --> 01:48:42,800
president coming out on major tv and

2606
01:48:47,350 --> 01:48:45,280
saying yes they're here disclosure first

2607
01:48:49,669 --> 01:48:47,360
of all is what we're doing right here

2608
01:48:52,950 --> 01:48:49,679
but secondly disclosure is also

2609
01:48:55,109 --> 01:48:52,960
happening on the ground with the ets and

2610
01:48:57,109 --> 01:48:55,119
they're getting closer and closer to the

2611
01:48:58,629 --> 01:48:57,119
surface the war is becoming more and

2612
01:49:01,270 --> 01:48:58,639
more obvious

2613
01:49:05,350 --> 01:49:01,280
and the in the wars would in cali you

2614
01:49:08,390 --> 01:49:05,360
know the wars in the fires in california

2615
01:49:10,870 --> 01:49:08,400
as mark richards has said that there are

2616
01:49:12,470 --> 01:49:10,880
you know vortex vortex is opening and

2617
01:49:15,510 --> 01:49:12,480
various beings are trying to come

2618
01:49:17,750 --> 01:49:15,520
through they try to close the vortexes

2619
01:49:20,470 --> 01:49:17,760
they've got collateral damage they need

2620
01:49:22,310 --> 01:49:20,480
to make some kind of uh misdirect

2621
01:49:24,470 --> 01:49:22,320
they're you know there's all kinds of

2622
01:49:26,550 --> 01:49:24,480
crazy [\h__\h] going down okay we got to

2623
01:49:27,590 --> 01:49:26,560
watch the foul language carrie you're

2624
01:49:29,910 --> 01:49:27,600
going to make

2625
01:49:32,070 --> 01:49:29,920
well you're gonna get me kicked off i

2626
01:49:33,750 --> 01:49:32,080
mean edit me a few more times uh when

2627
01:49:36,550 --> 01:49:33,760
the bleep happens i guess they're just

2628
01:49:38,870 --> 01:49:36,560
gonna laugh okay so but staying on

2629
01:49:42,470 --> 01:49:38,880
disclosure why

2630
01:49:45,270 --> 01:49:42,480
uh why would the new york times suddenly

2631
01:49:46,950 --> 01:49:45,280
taken about face and the other thing and

2632
01:49:49,750 --> 01:49:46,960
so we'll i want you to address the new

2633
01:49:53,189 --> 01:49:49,760
york times directly but also it seemed

2634
01:49:55,590 --> 01:49:53,199
like fox uh cnn a little bit bbc a

2635
01:49:56,629 --> 01:49:55,600
little bit but fox took the ball and ran

2636
01:49:58,790 --> 01:49:56,639
with it

2637
01:50:00,149 --> 01:49:58,800
um why

2638
01:50:02,870 --> 01:50:00,159
you know they weren't giggling or

2639
01:50:05,189 --> 01:50:02,880
playing x-files music anymore

2640
01:50:07,030 --> 01:50:05,199
why that kind of about faces they got

2641
01:50:07,830 --> 01:50:07,040
the directive from the people that run

2642
01:50:10,229 --> 01:50:07,840
them

2643
01:50:13,030 --> 01:50:10,239
i mean you know the new york times is

2644
01:50:15,030 --> 01:50:13,040
totally run by the cia and nsa and

2645
01:50:16,870 --> 01:50:15,040
everyone else they have to cater these

2646
01:50:18,310 --> 01:50:16,880
people so you don't think it was you

2647
01:50:20,149 --> 01:50:18,320
don't think about their marching orders

2648
01:50:22,709 --> 01:50:20,159
they were told what to do that's not

2649
01:50:24,470 --> 01:50:22,719
disclosure anyway you know the tic tac

2650
01:50:28,149 --> 01:50:24,480
and all of this these are these are

2651
01:50:30,950 --> 01:50:28,159
sanitized stories okay even the recent

2652
01:50:32,950 --> 01:50:30,960
bob lazar coming forward he was tasked

2653
01:50:35,430 --> 01:50:32,960
to come forward there's no two ways

2654
01:50:37,030 --> 01:50:35,440
about it the guy has denied interviews

2655
01:50:38,870 --> 01:50:37,040
and not wanted to talk about this stuff

2656
01:50:42,310 --> 01:50:38,880
for ages

2657
01:50:44,310 --> 01:50:42,320
suddenly he makes a movie seriously um

2658
01:50:46,310 --> 01:50:44,320
you know bottom line

2659
01:50:48,790 --> 01:50:46,320
even you could tell that he's still

2660
01:50:50,229 --> 01:50:48,800
pretty much unwilling but the you know

2661
01:50:52,870 --> 01:50:50,239
you should have listened to my show with

2662
01:50:55,109 --> 01:50:52,880
john lear i told you we had a great time

2663
01:50:57,910 --> 01:50:55,119
on that show that was his birthday show

2664
01:51:00,870 --> 01:50:57,920
and i asked him all about

2665
01:51:03,669 --> 01:51:00,880
bob lazar and what he said on that movie

2666
01:51:05,030 --> 01:51:03,679
etc and he basically blew that film out

2667
01:51:06,550 --> 01:51:05,040
of the water

2668
01:51:08,950 --> 01:51:06,560
how so

2669
01:51:12,790 --> 01:51:08,960
because he said that bob lazar not only

2670
01:51:15,189 --> 01:51:12,800
met one alien he's met several

2671
01:51:16,790 --> 01:51:15,199
and bob said in the movie i i think it

2672
01:51:17,990 --> 01:51:16,800
was just a doll

2673
01:51:22,470 --> 01:51:18,000
right

2674
01:51:24,709 --> 01:51:22,480
wiped at this point look he admitted

2675
01:51:27,109 --> 01:51:24,719
even then he admitted that his mind has

2676
01:51:29,189 --> 01:51:27,119
been wiped he admitted this to john lear

2677
01:51:32,310 --> 01:51:29,199
he said he didn't want to go back to

2678
01:51:34,629 --> 01:51:32,320
work for these people he quit because

2679
01:51:37,669 --> 01:51:34,639
they were wiping his mind

2680
01:51:39,669 --> 01:51:37,679
you know if he if he denies that story

2681
01:51:42,310 --> 01:51:39,679
it's because he's being he's in he's in

2682
01:51:44,790 --> 01:51:42,320
the payroll you know back on the payroll

2683
01:51:46,790 --> 01:51:44,800
it's not like he never was he went back

2684
01:51:48,790 --> 01:51:46,800
on the payroll anyway between now and

2685
01:51:49,669 --> 01:51:48,800
when it was first working for them i

2686
01:51:51,910 --> 01:51:49,679
mean

2687
01:51:54,229 --> 01:51:51,920
you know and john also said which is i

2688
01:51:55,830 --> 01:51:54,239
think fairly explosive that they planned

2689
01:51:59,030 --> 01:51:55,840
that lazar was going to be their fall

2690
01:52:01,589 --> 01:51:59,040
guy from day one

2691
01:52:04,870 --> 01:52:01,599
they hired him for that purpose they

2692
01:52:07,030 --> 01:52:04,880
hired him yes he had the technical specs

2693
01:52:10,229 --> 01:52:07,040
yes he was you know a freaking technical

2694
01:52:11,589 --> 01:52:10,239
genius he was also a contactee you you

2695
01:52:14,070 --> 01:52:11,599
know there's no way you're gonna ever

2696
01:52:16,870 --> 01:52:14,080
convince me otherwise and you know he's

2697
01:52:20,149 --> 01:52:16,880
not talking about all that i mean the

2698
01:52:22,629 --> 01:52:20,159
story has not been revealed in its true

2699
01:52:25,510 --> 01:52:22,639
colors but i can tell you john you know

2700
01:52:26,870 --> 01:52:25,520
john's getting older he he you know he's

2701
01:52:29,589 --> 01:52:26,880
a loose cannon

2702
01:52:31,270 --> 01:52:29,599
he worked with mj12 you know i used to

2703
01:52:33,589 --> 01:52:31,280
kid john all the time i said you're

2704
01:52:35,589 --> 01:52:33,599
you're mj 12. aren't you john he didn't

2705
01:52:37,109 --> 01:52:35,599
deny it

2706
01:52:39,189 --> 01:52:37,119
uh so

2707
01:52:40,950 --> 01:52:39,199
well i i i wanted to wait wait have i

2708
01:52:43,430 --> 01:52:40,960
gotten you speechless jimmy because that

2709
01:52:46,229 --> 01:52:43,440
would be a first no no no not at all

2710
01:52:49,669 --> 01:52:46,239
there's so many uh questions here

2711
01:52:52,229 --> 01:52:49,679
obviously we all wondered why bob would

2712
01:52:54,870 --> 01:52:52,239
suddenly come forward there's the simple

2713
01:52:56,070 --> 01:52:54,880
side of it right the logical side where

2714
01:52:59,669 --> 01:52:56,080
what money

2715
01:53:02,149 --> 01:52:59,679
one would say that he's old friends with

2716
01:53:03,750 --> 01:53:02,159
knapp uh he wants to throw jeremy

2717
01:53:06,870 --> 01:53:03,760
corbella bone

2718
01:53:11,109 --> 01:53:06,880
and and get you know bob to agree to do

2719
01:53:13,589 --> 01:53:11,119
a documentary for jeremy and

2720
01:53:15,750 --> 01:53:13,599
not such a good thing um

2721
01:53:18,229 --> 01:53:15,760
you know that's the easy one tails about

2722
01:53:20,149 --> 01:53:18,239
a school but i'm not gonna you know say

2723
01:53:22,310 --> 01:53:20,159
a whole lot but i'll just say that um

2724
01:53:24,950 --> 01:53:22,320
let's just say that jeremy was seen for

2725
01:53:26,709 --> 01:53:24,960
who he really was by at least john lear

2726
01:53:27,589 --> 01:53:26,719
and friends

2727
01:53:29,589 --> 01:53:27,599
oh

2728
01:53:31,350 --> 01:53:29,599
okay well i i don't know where you're

2729
01:53:32,870 --> 01:53:31,360
going with that it's lucky he's not

2730
01:53:34,790 --> 01:53:32,880
being sued

2731
01:53:37,270 --> 01:53:34,800
who who jeremy or

2732
01:53:38,950 --> 01:53:37,280
jeremy corbell it's not being sued oh

2733
01:53:41,990 --> 01:53:38,960
interesting okay

2734
01:53:43,990 --> 01:53:42,000
well i'm sure jeremy uh well he may be

2735
01:53:45,830 --> 01:53:44,000
listening now but he will listen to the

2736
01:53:48,629 --> 01:53:45,840
replay of this show

2737
01:53:50,629 --> 01:53:48,639
uh certainly by the way if he is i mean

2738
01:53:54,470 --> 01:53:50,639
i'm inviting you for an interview jeremy

2739
01:53:56,709 --> 01:53:54,480
oh uh uh uh you want his number um sure

2740
01:53:58,229 --> 01:53:56,719
you can do give me that back channel but

2741
01:53:59,990 --> 01:53:58,239
you know whenever you give me someone's

2742
01:54:01,910 --> 01:54:00,000
number they never call back

2743
01:54:03,510 --> 01:54:01,920
well why do you think is it because

2744
01:54:04,709 --> 01:54:03,520
they're scared

2745
01:54:07,109 --> 01:54:04,719
yeah

2746
01:54:08,790 --> 01:54:07,119
because they are scared um you know it's

2747
01:54:11,990 --> 01:54:08,800
okay i get it

2748
01:54:14,229 --> 01:54:12,000
i mean look i i do push the envelope uh

2749
01:54:16,550 --> 01:54:14,239
i i think that people can handle the

2750
01:54:17,910 --> 01:54:16,560
truth in fact i think they need it

2751
01:54:19,750 --> 01:54:17,920
desperately

2752
01:54:21,350 --> 01:54:19,760
uh you know right before i came on the

2753
01:54:23,030 --> 01:54:21,360
show i was listening to rich dolan

2754
01:54:25,750 --> 01:54:23,040
interview david jacobs you know i've

2755
01:54:27,189 --> 01:54:25,760
invited david jacobs for an interview a

2756
01:54:29,669 --> 01:54:27,199
zillion times

2757
01:54:31,350 --> 01:54:29,679
no reply now i don't know if that means

2758
01:54:33,830 --> 01:54:31,360
that they they don't want to do an

2759
01:54:35,589 --> 01:54:33,840
interview or that my email never arrives

2760
01:54:36,470 --> 01:54:35,599
because i know those both those cases

2761
01:54:38,790 --> 01:54:36,480
happen

2762
01:54:41,350 --> 01:54:38,800
but at any rate i have to tell you you

2763
01:54:44,070 --> 01:54:41,360
know in his scenario and his scenario is

2764
01:54:46,950 --> 01:54:44,080
not completely correct but it is very

2765
01:54:49,510 --> 01:54:46,960
very good he basically is talking about

2766
01:54:52,390 --> 01:54:49,520
the progress of the gray human hybrid

2767
01:54:54,870 --> 01:54:52,400
program and the takeover of planet earth

2768
01:54:57,669 --> 01:54:54,880
i mean you know they walk among us

2769
01:55:00,470 --> 01:54:57,679
that's his book uh you know

2770
01:55:02,470 --> 01:55:00,480
don't listen to me don't believe me

2771
01:55:04,790 --> 01:55:02,480
you know watch my latest interview with

2772
01:55:07,669 --> 01:55:04,800
terry loveless talk

2773
01:55:10,470 --> 01:55:07,679
talk about what he saw in the aquarium

2774
01:55:12,790 --> 01:55:10,480
the wall-sized aquarium that had what he

2775
01:55:15,350 --> 01:55:12,800
thought were puppies that turned out to

2776
01:55:16,830 --> 01:55:15,360
be genetically engineered

2777
01:55:19,669 --> 01:55:16,840
what hybrid

2778
01:55:20,870 --> 01:55:19,679
beings floating around in some pink

2779
01:55:23,830 --> 01:55:20,880
stuff

2780
01:55:27,750 --> 01:55:23,840
i mean and lots of them not just a few

2781
01:55:30,629 --> 01:55:27,760
you know this stuff is real and

2782
01:55:32,390 --> 01:55:30,639
and why people want to hide their heads

2783
01:55:33,910 --> 01:55:32,400
in the sand other than the fact that

2784
01:55:35,430 --> 01:55:33,920
they've been programmed day and night by

2785
01:55:38,149 --> 01:55:35,440
their television their fluorescent

2786
01:55:40,390 --> 01:55:38,159
lights their food their water and every

2787
01:55:43,350 --> 01:55:40,400
other device known to man that these

2788
01:55:44,950 --> 01:55:43,360
people can and aliens can think up and

2789
01:55:46,790 --> 01:55:44,960
have their minds wiped also when they

2790
01:55:48,629 --> 01:55:46,800
get abducted but you know what i'm

2791
01:55:51,669 --> 01:55:48,639
saying i mean this

2792
01:55:57,270 --> 01:55:51,679
you know what i'm talking about jimmy

2793
01:55:59,030 --> 01:55:57,280
well i i do i do understand that and i

2794
01:56:00,709 --> 01:55:59,040
what i try to do

2795
01:56:03,510 --> 01:56:00,719
and this is just me i'm just going to

2796
01:56:05,589 --> 01:56:03,520
say this for 30 seconds because

2797
01:56:09,109 --> 01:56:05,599
this is about you carrie tonight but

2798
01:56:11,430 --> 01:56:09,119
what i try to do is collect as much of

2799
01:56:13,270 --> 01:56:11,440
this out there like you have been doing

2800
01:56:15,270 --> 01:56:13,280
and get it all out there on the table

2801
01:56:16,629 --> 01:56:15,280
for everybody to listen to because i

2802
01:56:19,910 --> 01:56:16,639
think that there is

2803
01:56:22,950 --> 01:56:19,920
little pieces of everybody's experiences

2804
01:56:24,149 --> 01:56:22,960
and and witness and testimony

2805
01:56:25,270 --> 01:56:24,159
and research

2806
01:56:27,270 --> 01:56:25,280
that

2807
01:56:30,950 --> 01:56:27,280
collectively we're going to get closer

2808
01:56:33,589 --> 01:56:30,960
to the answer you know i i i don't know

2809
01:56:35,109 --> 01:56:33,599
what those answers are but the audience

2810
01:56:37,669 --> 01:56:35,119
needs to hear

2811
01:56:39,270 --> 01:56:37,679
let's say you have a big freaking clue i

2812
01:56:41,350 --> 01:56:39,280
mean you know at this point this is

2813
01:56:43,510 --> 01:56:41,360
where the wheat this is where i differ

2814
01:56:45,669 --> 01:56:43,520
from the rest of you

2815
01:56:48,709 --> 01:56:45,679
i am willing to add two and two and you

2816
01:56:51,109 --> 01:56:48,719
guys are not who's you guys

2817
01:56:52,870 --> 01:56:51,119
in your own mind no just let me kind of

2818
01:56:54,470 --> 01:56:52,880
have my say here okay

2819
01:56:57,510 --> 01:56:54,480
because you know

2820
01:56:59,750 --> 01:56:57,520
the bottom line is yes we all see the

2821
01:57:02,310 --> 01:56:59,760
evidence out there we all listen to the

2822
01:57:04,790 --> 01:57:02,320
testimonies and they are they're you

2823
01:57:07,189 --> 01:57:04,800
know the testimonies are just you know

2824
01:57:09,669 --> 01:57:07,199
gargantuan at this time we have people

2825
01:57:11,669 --> 01:57:09,679
from every walk of life you know terry

2826
01:57:14,470 --> 01:57:11,679
loveless kept quiet for 40 years he's a

2827
01:57:16,629 --> 01:57:14,480
lawyer uh he was in the air force when

2828
01:57:19,910 --> 01:57:16,639
it happened to him you know the bottom

2829
01:57:20,950 --> 01:57:19,920
line is that people are telling the

2830
01:57:22,629 --> 01:57:20,960
truth

2831
01:57:25,430 --> 01:57:22,639
we are

2832
01:57:26,550 --> 01:57:25,440
the truth tellers of the planet

2833
01:57:32,550 --> 01:57:26,560
the people

2834
01:57:35,189 --> 01:57:32,560
day in and day out as you do okay

2835
01:57:37,669 --> 01:57:35,199
and at a certain point

2836
01:57:40,550 --> 01:57:37,679
even if you were in a courtroom

2837
01:57:42,790 --> 01:57:40,560
the evidence would begin to mount up and

2838
01:57:45,430 --> 01:57:42,800
you would eventually

2839
01:57:48,229 --> 01:57:45,440
go in a certain direction towards a

2840
01:57:50,870 --> 01:57:48,239
verdict you would suddenly

2841
01:57:54,229 --> 01:57:50,880
to some degree see the writing on the

2842
01:57:56,310 --> 01:57:54,239
wall and our military has no choice but

2843
01:57:58,310 --> 01:57:56,320
to do that and of course they have to

2844
01:58:01,270 --> 01:57:58,320
see the negative side of things they

2845
01:58:04,709 --> 01:58:01,280
have to prepare for the worst

2846
01:58:06,790 --> 01:58:04,719
and the worst may be worse than you even

2847
01:58:08,470 --> 01:58:06,800
imagine that's what i've been told by

2848
01:58:11,109 --> 01:58:08,480
whistleblowers okay

2849
01:58:14,550 --> 01:58:11,119
that it's even worse than we imagined so

2850
01:58:17,030 --> 01:58:14,560
it's not fairy land out there and humans

2851
01:58:19,270 --> 01:58:17,040
are being killed abducted children are

2852
01:58:22,950 --> 01:58:19,280
being raped and taken for their blood

2853
01:58:25,270 --> 01:58:22,960
and organs etc and slave colonies have

2854
01:58:28,149 --> 01:58:25,280
been taken off planet earth this is

2855
01:58:30,470 --> 01:58:28,159
happening to your fellow man now in nazi

2856
01:58:32,790 --> 01:58:30,480
germany would you just sit by and say

2857
01:58:34,950 --> 01:58:32,800
nothing and say well all the evidence

2858
01:58:37,589 --> 01:58:34,960
isn't in yet right

2859
01:58:38,950 --> 01:58:37,599
[\h__\h] i'm sorry and i know i know

2860
01:58:40,709 --> 01:58:38,960
you're going to have to take out the

2861
01:58:42,950 --> 01:58:40,719
second part of that word seriously on

2862
01:58:45,189 --> 01:58:42,960
modern radio today you can't even swear

2863
01:58:48,709 --> 01:58:45,199
yeah are they really that lilly white

2864
01:58:50,950 --> 01:58:48,719
well i don't know why no but the kids

2865
01:58:52,629 --> 01:58:50,960
kids listen to this show too okay so we

2866
01:58:54,310 --> 01:58:52,639
got to respect up and down what are you

2867
01:58:56,709 --> 01:58:54,320
kidding you can learn better swear words

2868
01:58:58,709 --> 01:58:56,719
from them than i know let's take a break

2869
01:59:01,109 --> 01:58:58,719
right here our guest tonight is carrie

2870
01:59:03,510 --> 01:59:01,119
cassidy potty mouth

2871
01:59:05,350 --> 01:59:03,520
sailor carrie cassidy having a great

2872
01:59:08,700 --> 01:59:05,360
conversation tonight this is fade to

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01:59:14,320 --> 01:59:08,710
black we'll be right back stay with us

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01:59:18,070 --> 01:59:14,330
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02:03:37,589 --> 02:03:33,840
you want to know a secret

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[Music]

2981
02:04:15,669 --> 02:04:14,159
welcome back fade to black

2982
02:04:18,149 --> 02:04:15,679
i am your host jimmy church you can

2983
02:04:20,709 --> 02:04:18,159
follow me on twitter at j church radio

2984
02:04:21,990 --> 02:04:20,719
you can follow carrie at project camelot

2985
02:04:23,990 --> 02:04:22,000
it's right there we've got it up in

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and

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02:04:29,589 --> 02:04:27,679
uh what was that carrie

2989
02:04:31,510 --> 02:04:29,599
uh no i was just coughing oh you were

2990
02:04:34,310 --> 02:04:31,520
coughing

2991
02:04:37,189 --> 02:04:34,320
cough button um i want to talk about

2992
02:04:38,870 --> 02:04:37,199
john lear um you just did a recent

2993
02:04:41,589 --> 02:04:38,880
interview with him and it goes without

2994
02:04:43,669 --> 02:04:41,599
saying that i have watched uh your part

2995
02:04:44,870 --> 02:04:43,679
one part two part three with uh john

2996
02:04:47,589 --> 02:04:44,880
that you did

2997
02:04:49,830 --> 02:04:47,599
uh so many times and there was a lot of

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02:04:52,390 --> 02:04:49,840
history that went down in those those

2999
02:04:53,669 --> 02:04:52,400
sessions that you did uh

3000
02:04:56,070 --> 02:04:53,679
before but

3001
02:04:59,589 --> 02:04:56,080
you just recently interviewed him i want

3002
02:05:03,350 --> 02:04:59,599
to discuss that but how for you has john

3003
02:05:07,350 --> 02:05:05,030
um

3004
02:05:11,030 --> 02:05:07,360
i don't know you know he seems kind of

3005
02:05:13,189 --> 02:05:11,040
the same guy i've always known uh he's

3006
02:05:16,229 --> 02:05:13,199
one thing about john that i've always

3007
02:05:17,990 --> 02:05:16,239
admired is he will stick to his guns and

3008
02:05:20,790 --> 02:05:18,000
sometimes he will be

3009
02:05:22,709 --> 02:05:20,800
uh slightly irrational about certain

3010
02:05:24,149 --> 02:05:22,719
things that he's reached his own

3011
02:05:27,750 --> 02:05:24,159
conclusion on

3012
02:05:30,629 --> 02:05:27,760
but if you bring him good information

3013
02:05:33,669 --> 02:05:30,639
good new evidence he will actually sit

3014
02:05:36,790 --> 02:05:33,679
and listen and he will change his mind

3015
02:05:37,990 --> 02:05:36,800
he doesn't have to stick to his guns

3016
02:05:41,350 --> 02:05:38,000
he's not

3017
02:05:44,390 --> 02:05:41,360
um like a fanatic in terms of

3018
02:05:46,470 --> 02:05:44,400
anything i don't think uh maybe good

3019
02:05:47,830 --> 02:05:46,480
whiskey or something i you know

3020
02:05:50,709 --> 02:05:47,840
um

3021
02:05:53,270 --> 02:05:50,719
he's basically the same guy the same

3022
02:05:54,470 --> 02:05:53,280
wise ass uh you know

3023
02:05:56,870 --> 02:05:54,480
joking

3024
02:05:57,910 --> 02:05:56,880
you know man about the world i mean you

3025
02:06:00,950 --> 02:05:57,920
know he

3026
02:06:03,430 --> 02:06:00,960
he's a movie star that's what john is

3027
02:06:04,629 --> 02:06:03,440
he's everything every movie star ever

3028
02:06:07,350 --> 02:06:04,639
wanted to be

3029
02:06:09,669 --> 02:06:07,360
that's john lear did you leave uh that

3030
02:06:12,310 --> 02:06:09,679
with the uh the first set of interviews

3031
02:06:14,790 --> 02:06:12,320
that you did was there stuff that didn't

3032
02:06:16,950 --> 02:06:14,800
get into those interviews on the cutting

3033
02:06:19,030 --> 02:06:16,960
room floor

3034
02:06:21,350 --> 02:06:19,040
nope you know you have to understand how

3035
02:06:22,950 --> 02:06:21,360
camelot works we

3036
02:06:26,950 --> 02:06:22,960
it's part of the reason my interviews

3037
02:06:29,830 --> 02:06:26,960
are so long basically unless a person

3038
02:06:31,910 --> 02:06:29,840
badmouth somebody you know in which case

3039
02:06:33,910 --> 02:06:31,920
uh they'd be open to i don't know libel

3040
02:06:35,910 --> 02:06:33,920
or something of that nature

3041
02:06:38,229 --> 02:06:35,920
uh in which case we would take out the

3042
02:06:41,030 --> 02:06:38,239
name uh we don't

3043
02:06:43,109 --> 02:06:41,040
we don't we didn't edit out things uh

3044
02:06:46,629 --> 02:06:43,119
all we did was try to put in you know

3045
02:06:47,750 --> 02:06:46,639
make it have continuity um try to make

3046
02:06:50,790 --> 02:06:47,760
it clear

3047
02:06:52,229 --> 02:06:50,800
uh but by and large the reason the

3048
02:06:53,830 --> 02:06:52,239
interviews are so long is because

3049
02:06:56,310 --> 02:06:53,840
they're pretty much as long as they were

3050
02:06:58,870 --> 02:06:56,320
when we did them you know what i mean uh

3051
02:07:01,350 --> 02:06:58,880
so there's very little taken out ever of

3052
02:07:04,310 --> 02:07:01,360
camelot interviews and nowadays you know

3053
02:07:06,470 --> 02:07:04,320
i prefer to go live i prefer to be in a

3054
02:07:08,390 --> 02:07:06,480
live atmosphere because i don't have

3055
02:07:11,109 --> 02:07:08,400
anything to hide um

3056
02:07:14,229 --> 02:07:11,119
and i i do want to know everything and i

3057
02:07:17,830 --> 02:07:14,239
figure that if i'm coming from that

3058
02:07:19,910 --> 02:07:17,840
standpoint um that that the witness the

3059
02:07:22,310 --> 02:07:19,920
the person i'm interviewing

3060
02:07:24,629 --> 02:07:22,320
senses it and they feel comfortable you

3061
02:07:27,510 --> 02:07:24,639
know um in the end of the day

3062
02:07:30,390 --> 02:07:27,520
all humanity we're in this together

3063
02:07:33,109 --> 02:07:30,400
and we need to tell each other the truth

3064
02:07:36,709 --> 02:07:33,119
i mean we really do and on the level of

3065
02:07:39,830 --> 02:07:36,719
the people you know i'm not uh working

3066
02:07:42,790 --> 02:07:39,840
for some clandestine

3067
02:07:45,830 --> 02:07:42,800
and i'm not working for a government but

3068
02:07:48,870 --> 02:07:45,840
i am working for the people and i'm all

3069
02:07:52,870 --> 02:07:48,880
about seeing humanity succeed

3070
02:07:54,950 --> 02:07:52,880
when you interviewed john and you've

3071
02:07:55,910 --> 02:07:54,960
you've done so many interviews right but

3072
02:07:58,149 --> 02:07:55,920
when

3073
02:08:00,470 --> 02:07:58,159
you're interviewing john was there a

3074
02:08:02,229 --> 02:08:00,480
moment where you just went okay that you

3075
02:08:04,629 --> 02:08:02,239
know that's a holy crap moment right

3076
02:08:06,629 --> 02:08:04,639
there uh even for you because i had a

3077
02:08:09,589 --> 02:08:06,639
few uh with uh

3078
02:08:11,669 --> 02:08:09,599
with those uh first three interviews

3079
02:08:13,589 --> 02:08:11,679
um

3080
02:08:15,669 --> 02:08:13,599
it's it's you know it's it's a lot of

3081
02:08:17,510 --> 02:08:15,679
water under the bridge so it's hard for

3082
02:08:19,830 --> 02:08:17,520
me to remember

3083
02:08:21,270 --> 02:08:19,840
that kind of thing but i can tell you

3084
02:08:23,189 --> 02:08:21,280
that

3085
02:08:25,270 --> 02:08:23,199
you have to understand again kind of put

3086
02:08:26,310 --> 02:08:25,280
yourself in the headspace that i already

3087
02:08:28,790 --> 02:08:26,320
was

3088
02:08:31,430 --> 02:08:28,800
when i started doing interviews i

3089
02:08:33,830 --> 02:08:31,440
already

3090
02:08:36,870 --> 02:08:33,840
took on the whole thing you know i i

3091
02:08:37,830 --> 02:08:36,880
have had very little aha moments along

3092
02:08:40,790 --> 02:08:37,840
the way

3093
02:08:43,109 --> 02:08:40,800
to be honest um once in a while there

3094
02:08:44,950 --> 02:08:43,119
have been a few

3095
02:08:47,030 --> 02:08:44,960
maybe when henry deacon told us he'd

3096
02:08:49,270 --> 02:08:47,040
been working on mars

3097
02:08:51,109 --> 02:08:49,280
going there for lunch coming back

3098
02:08:51,990 --> 02:08:51,119
through a jump room uh

3099
02:08:54,390 --> 02:08:52,000
you know

3100
02:08:55,669 --> 02:08:54,400
there's a few where you go all right

3101
02:08:58,390 --> 02:08:55,679
well i'm gonna have to take this on

3102
02:09:01,350 --> 02:08:58,400
board this is a bit you know a bit much

3103
02:09:03,589 --> 02:09:01,360
bit wild but john you know now you don't

3104
02:09:06,229 --> 02:09:03,599
have to always agree with john

3105
02:09:09,189 --> 02:09:06,239
not everything he says is necessarily

3106
02:09:11,430 --> 02:09:09,199
can you take to the bank um

3107
02:09:14,870 --> 02:09:11,440
keep in mind that he's playing a careful

3108
02:09:17,430 --> 02:09:14,880
game he's a showman he tells you you

3109
02:09:20,790 --> 02:09:17,440
know what he believes he's a straight

3110
02:09:23,270 --> 02:09:20,800
shooter so he goes with his gut he he

3111
02:09:26,069 --> 02:09:23,280
kind of that's how he deals with you

3112
02:09:28,550 --> 02:09:26,079
like when he just on my interview just

3113
02:09:31,430 --> 02:09:28,560
you know like last week was it during

3114
02:09:32,709 --> 02:09:31,440
his birthday literally on his birthday

3115
02:09:34,390 --> 02:09:32,719
um

3116
02:09:36,550 --> 02:09:34,400
he's and he said that thing about they

3117
02:09:37,350 --> 02:09:36,560
used bob from the very beginning you

3118
02:09:39,430 --> 02:09:37,360
know

3119
02:09:41,270 --> 02:09:39,440
he's not saying that because he thinks

3120
02:09:42,310 --> 02:09:41,280
it he's saying it because he freaking

3121
02:09:44,470 --> 02:09:42,320
knows it

3122
02:09:46,629 --> 02:09:44,480
didn't i didn't i didn't swear jimmy no

3123
02:09:49,350 --> 02:09:46,639
no you didn't and and thank you for that

3124
02:09:51,910 --> 02:09:49,360
uh yeah yeah what i'm saying so so all

3125
02:09:53,350 --> 02:09:51,920
i'm saying is that uh no let me let me

3126
02:09:56,149 --> 02:09:53,360
stop you there

3127
02:10:00,950 --> 02:09:56,159
did

3128
02:10:03,430 --> 02:10:00,960
in 1990

3129
02:10:05,990 --> 02:10:03,440
that bob was being used

3130
02:10:09,510 --> 02:10:06,000
i mean or is this something that he has

3131
02:10:12,709 --> 02:10:09,520
you know morphed into over the years

3132
02:10:15,270 --> 02:10:12,719
um well let me just say this that bob

3133
02:10:16,390 --> 02:10:15,280
that john if you look at his history of

3134
02:10:18,069 --> 02:10:16,400
his

3135
02:10:20,709 --> 02:10:18,079
oh god i forget who it is because i

3136
02:10:23,750 --> 02:10:20,719
often get it mixed up but i guess his um

3137
02:10:25,189 --> 02:10:23,760
you know his father was working for mj12

3138
02:10:27,270 --> 02:10:25,199
his um

3139
02:10:29,430 --> 02:10:27,280
his mother was

3140
02:10:31,189 --> 02:10:29,440
the girlfriend of jimmy doolittle or

3141
02:10:33,510 --> 02:10:31,199
whoever the hell it was you know i mean

3142
02:10:36,709 --> 02:10:33,520
he tells these stories it you know he

3143
02:10:37,910 --> 02:10:36,719
was he grew up in it you know he grew up

3144
02:10:41,430 --> 02:10:37,920
in this

3145
02:10:44,310 --> 02:10:41,440
um and he was a wild boy he was you know

3146
02:10:46,470 --> 02:10:44,320
flying for the cia he has look i went to

3147
02:10:47,910 --> 02:10:46,480
his birthday party last year this year

3148
02:10:50,069 --> 02:10:47,920
they wouldn't let me in

3149
02:10:52,470 --> 02:10:50,079
they said it's because i was filming but

3150
02:10:54,550 --> 02:10:52,480
i was filming for john and i i swore

3151
02:10:56,629 --> 02:10:54,560
that i would never release the film it's

3152
02:10:58,709 --> 02:10:56,639
just i give it to john if you want he

3153
02:10:59,830 --> 02:10:58,719
wanted a recollection of you know people

3154
02:11:00,709 --> 02:10:59,840
in his life

3155
02:11:02,229 --> 02:11:00,719
but

3156
02:11:03,830 --> 02:11:02,239
those people didn't want me back

3157
02:11:05,430 --> 02:11:03,840
supposedly i'll tell you the truth they

3158
02:11:07,510 --> 02:11:05,440
don't want to be back because there were

3159
02:11:09,589 --> 02:11:07,520
people in that room that i'm not

3160
02:11:12,709 --> 02:11:09,599
supposed to know about

3161
02:11:16,229 --> 02:11:12,719
you know john has some very

3162
02:11:18,629 --> 02:11:16,239
high level friends um

3163
02:11:21,350 --> 02:11:18,639
and i'll tell you you want to know what

3164
02:11:23,270 --> 02:11:21,360
was a great moment with john it was

3165
02:11:25,830 --> 02:11:23,280
actually more recently than you're

3166
02:11:26,709 --> 02:11:25,840
realizing you know i went back we went

3167
02:11:29,270 --> 02:11:26,719
back

3168
02:11:31,350 --> 02:11:29,280
like a year or i think maybe two years

3169
02:11:33,109 --> 02:11:31,360
ago i can't remember exactly time just

3170
02:11:34,790 --> 02:11:33,119
goes so fast but

3171
02:11:37,350 --> 02:11:34,800
and did a whole long interview with him

3172
02:11:38,550 --> 02:11:37,360
it was like three or four hours again

3173
02:11:39,990 --> 02:11:38,560
recently

3174
02:11:42,229 --> 02:11:40,000
like you know like i said a year or two

3175
02:11:44,870 --> 02:11:42,239
ago and that's a great interview and in

3176
02:11:46,470 --> 02:11:44,880
the middle of that interview i had just

3177
02:11:47,270 --> 02:11:46,480
been to visit

3178
02:11:49,990 --> 02:11:47,280
well

3179
02:11:52,870 --> 02:11:50,000
one person i i'm not naming because he's

3180
02:11:54,390 --> 02:11:52,880
a high-level scientist

3181
02:11:57,270 --> 02:11:54,400
that i'm not supposed to

3182
02:12:00,390 --> 02:11:57,280
be disclosing things about and the other

3183
02:12:01,990 --> 02:12:00,400
one was mark richards in prison so from

3184
02:12:04,149 --> 02:12:02,000
there i drove to

3185
02:12:05,669 --> 02:12:04,159
john to his birthday and we did an

3186
02:12:07,109 --> 02:12:05,679
interview i think it was the day before

3187
02:12:09,990 --> 02:12:07,119
the birthday

3188
02:12:13,030 --> 02:12:10,000
and he we couldn't stop him from talking

3189
02:12:15,350 --> 02:12:13,040
he was going on and on it was amazing

3190
02:12:17,830 --> 02:12:15,360
but one thing i did was during that

3191
02:12:19,350 --> 02:12:17,840
interview i told him uh what mark said

3192
02:12:21,910 --> 02:12:19,360
about the spiders

3193
02:12:24,310 --> 02:12:21,920
in vietnam the spider beings that were

3194
02:12:27,270 --> 02:12:24,320
the size of vw's according to mark

3195
02:12:29,270 --> 02:12:27,280
richards and john on camera got that

3196
02:12:31,830 --> 02:12:29,280
information for the first time and you

3197
02:12:33,669 --> 02:12:31,840
can see his legitimate reaction

3198
02:12:35,830 --> 02:12:33,679
and it's priceless

3199
02:12:37,350 --> 02:12:35,840
and i never expect i thought john was

3200
02:12:39,669 --> 02:12:37,360
just gonna blow it out of the water and

3201
02:12:42,310 --> 02:12:39,679
say oh he's full of it or whatever

3202
02:12:45,109 --> 02:12:42,320
no he just said right away he was like

3203
02:12:47,750 --> 02:12:45,119
oh my god this is it because his whole

3204
02:12:50,069 --> 02:12:47,760
life you know he he was in the vietnam

3205
02:12:52,069 --> 02:12:50,079
war and all of that he always wanted to

3206
02:12:54,149 --> 02:12:52,079
know the real reason behind the vietnam

3207
02:12:55,910 --> 02:12:54,159
war and never bought the you know the

3208
02:12:58,390 --> 02:12:55,920
party line

3209
02:13:01,030 --> 02:12:58,400
so when he heard that he just couldn't i

3210
02:13:04,390 --> 02:13:01,040
mean he just was totally ready for that

3211
02:13:06,629 --> 02:13:04,400
information and that was i think with

3212
02:13:08,229 --> 02:13:06,639
john of all the times i've been with him

3213
02:13:09,990 --> 02:13:08,239
that was the most surprising to me

3214
02:13:12,229 --> 02:13:10,000
because i really didn't know he would

3215
02:13:13,750 --> 02:13:12,239
take that on board i just told him

3216
02:13:15,350 --> 02:13:13,760
because i thought you know it'd be fun

3217
02:13:18,310 --> 02:13:15,360
to see his reaction

3218
02:13:19,990 --> 02:13:18,320
was there anybody that uh

3219
02:13:21,990 --> 02:13:20,000
not to get off of john we'll come back

3220
02:13:25,109 --> 02:13:22,000
to this but is there anybody over the

3221
02:13:29,510 --> 02:13:25,119
years that you interviewed and you were

3222
02:13:31,109 --> 02:13:29,520
okay with but then as time went by

3223
02:13:34,229 --> 02:13:31,119
that you started to maybe doubt the

3224
02:13:36,149 --> 02:13:34,239
story or you the level of trust went

3225
02:13:37,510 --> 02:13:36,159
away and maybe you didn't interview them

3226
02:13:42,390 --> 02:13:37,520
again

3227
02:13:48,069 --> 02:13:45,750
no i mean you know no i mean seriously

3228
02:13:51,030 --> 02:13:48,079
no i love bill uh you know um we may

3229
02:13:54,950 --> 02:13:51,040
have some issues but nonetheless um

3230
02:13:57,350 --> 02:13:54,960
he he was a very good partner in camelot

3231
02:13:58,470 --> 02:13:57,360
uh you know as far as that went

3232
02:14:00,629 --> 02:13:58,480
uh

3233
02:14:03,030 --> 02:14:00,639
but i'm talking about whistleblowers

3234
02:14:06,390 --> 02:14:03,040
that i have through the years thought

3235
02:14:08,149 --> 02:14:06,400
were uh a bit more legitimate than they

3236
02:14:11,350 --> 02:14:08,159
are um

3237
02:14:13,510 --> 02:14:11,360
god that's a really hard one you know uh

3238
02:14:15,589 --> 02:14:13,520
it'd be easier if you kind of

3239
02:14:17,990 --> 02:14:15,599
rolled off a certain list because you

3240
02:14:19,350 --> 02:14:18,000
got to remember that you know i mean and

3241
02:14:20,950 --> 02:14:19,360
you've been doing this now i think

3242
02:14:22,229 --> 02:14:20,960
you've done even more interviews than i

3243
02:14:24,310 --> 02:14:22,239
have maybe

3244
02:14:26,709 --> 02:14:24,320
uh i don't know you know it's really

3245
02:14:28,229 --> 02:14:26,719
hard i don't i have to say

3246
02:14:31,430 --> 02:14:28,239
by and large

3247
02:14:34,870 --> 02:14:31,440
that um that's not the case that most of

3248
02:14:36,310 --> 02:14:34,880
the people that i evaluated at the time

3249
02:14:38,310 --> 02:14:36,320
did the interview

3250
02:14:40,149 --> 02:14:38,320
had the sense of how much they were

3251
02:14:42,229 --> 02:14:40,159
telling the truth and how much falsity

3252
02:14:44,390 --> 02:14:42,239
was in there because you know bottom

3253
02:14:45,830 --> 02:14:44,400
line is people don't realize is that

3254
02:14:48,229 --> 02:14:45,840
first of all i don't believe everything

3255
02:14:50,550 --> 02:14:48,239
i'm told and second of all

3256
02:14:52,790 --> 02:14:50,560
people do not tell the whole truth and

3257
02:14:55,669 --> 02:14:52,800
nothing but the truth they tell you what

3258
02:14:57,189 --> 02:14:55,679
they can tell you without getting killed

3259
02:14:58,870 --> 02:14:57,199
without having their family members

3260
02:15:00,629 --> 02:14:58,880
killed etc

3261
02:15:02,470 --> 02:15:00,639
um

3262
02:15:04,550 --> 02:15:02,480
we did uh

3263
02:15:06,950 --> 02:15:04,560
we didn't i've said this before but we

3264
02:15:09,109 --> 02:15:06,960
did an interview with nick i think it's

3265
02:15:10,709 --> 02:15:09,119
nick pope

3266
02:15:13,750 --> 02:15:10,719
um the british

3267
02:15:15,990 --> 02:15:13,760
guy who was head of the um

3268
02:15:18,550 --> 02:15:16,000
desk in britain for

3269
02:15:21,270 --> 02:15:18,560
ministry of defense right um

3270
02:15:24,069 --> 02:15:21,280
and we shelved it we never published it

3271
02:15:26,149 --> 02:15:24,079
and he got mad at us over that

3272
02:15:28,470 --> 02:15:26,159
um why did you shelve it

3273
02:15:30,390 --> 02:15:28,480
never forgot forgave us for that because

3274
02:15:32,790 --> 02:15:30,400
we couldn't get the guy to leave the

3275
02:15:35,510 --> 02:15:32,800
party line for five seconds during that

3276
02:15:38,390 --> 02:15:35,520
interview so the whole thing was nothing

3277
02:15:39,910 --> 02:15:38,400
but you know politically correct

3278
02:15:43,270 --> 02:15:39,920
nonsense

3279
02:15:46,310 --> 02:15:43,280
sad to say you know um he was you know

3280
02:15:49,750 --> 02:15:46,320
he's an apologist for them uh now

3281
02:15:52,310 --> 02:15:49,760
he's come out recently i hear

3282
02:15:54,709 --> 02:15:52,320
trying to tell a little bit more truth

3283
02:15:56,390 --> 02:15:54,719
um the one thing that was interesting

3284
02:15:58,229 --> 02:15:56,400
about him is that he did write some

3285
02:16:00,470 --> 02:15:58,239
sci-fi books that were closer to the

3286
02:16:04,069 --> 02:16:00,480
truth but you could never get him on

3287
02:16:06,629 --> 02:16:04,079
camera to you know even come close to

3288
02:16:08,069 --> 02:16:06,639
sort of dropping some some truth here

3289
02:16:10,790 --> 02:16:08,079
and there i mean the whole thing was

3290
02:16:13,189 --> 02:16:10,800
just bullock's so we you know we just

3291
02:16:15,990 --> 02:16:13,199
turned to each other and just said

3292
02:16:18,310 --> 02:16:16,000
that was a waste you said he's he said

3293
02:16:21,030 --> 02:16:18,320
earlier i and i wrote this down and i

3294
02:16:22,550 --> 02:16:21,040
want to get back to it you said earlier

3295
02:16:25,030 --> 02:16:22,560
that you know where the bodies are

3296
02:16:29,109 --> 02:16:26,470
right now

3297
02:16:31,669 --> 02:16:29,119
yeah are you suggesting that

3298
02:16:34,469 --> 02:16:31,679
there is stuff out there that isn't even

3299
02:16:36,870 --> 02:16:34,479
on project camelot that you you can't

3300
02:16:39,270 --> 02:16:36,880
talk about is that

3301
02:16:42,070 --> 02:16:39,280
you know we we have been threatened um

3302
02:16:44,469 --> 02:16:42,080
we we investigated a case let me see how

3303
02:16:46,230 --> 02:16:44,479
far i can go on this one

3304
02:16:49,669 --> 02:16:46,240
uh we invested in

3305
02:16:52,389 --> 02:16:49,679
gated a case that uh you know we flew

3306
02:16:54,950 --> 02:16:52,399
out it took us airfare and all kinds of

3307
02:16:58,790 --> 02:16:54,960
stuff and basically we found out that if

3308
02:17:00,389 --> 02:16:58,800
we said anything we were told that um

3309
02:17:02,389 --> 02:17:00,399
these very

3310
02:17:04,549 --> 02:17:02,399
nice people that actually one of which

3311
02:17:07,750 --> 02:17:04,559
had become a friend uh that they and

3312
02:17:10,629 --> 02:17:07,760
their families would not survive um

3313
02:17:11,509 --> 02:17:10,639
so we had to just shut up about it

3314
02:17:14,549 --> 02:17:11,519
um

3315
02:17:17,669 --> 02:17:14,559
let me see i think i can say this much

3316
02:17:21,349 --> 02:17:17,679
it was a ufo case

3317
02:17:23,509 --> 02:17:21,359
uh yes because ultimately it had to do

3318
02:17:25,509 --> 02:17:23,519
with a release of information that was

3319
02:17:27,190 --> 02:17:25,519
telling the real truth about some of the

3320
02:17:29,750 --> 02:17:27,200
things that went on during

3321
02:17:32,469 --> 02:17:29,760
roswell but it actually had to do with

3322
02:17:33,669 --> 02:17:32,479
james jesus angleton

3323
02:17:39,589 --> 02:17:33,679
and

3324
02:17:44,469 --> 02:17:39,599
literally

3325
02:17:48,790 --> 02:17:44,479
but

3326
02:17:49,509 --> 02:17:48,800
that was over 70 years ago

3327
02:17:53,110 --> 02:17:49,519
uh

3328
02:17:55,349 --> 02:17:53,120
well yeah but you know this is you know

3329
02:17:57,750 --> 02:17:55,359
it is isn't the c you know this rule by

3330
02:17:59,429 --> 02:17:57,760
secrecy funny they they have certain

3331
02:18:01,589 --> 02:17:59,439
areas what they don't want the real

3332
02:18:04,389 --> 02:18:01,599
truth to come out right you know things

3333
02:18:06,870 --> 02:18:04,399
like well i mean it's out there it's out

3334
02:18:09,110 --> 02:18:06,880
there that hitler didn't die it's out

3335
02:18:11,349 --> 02:18:09,120
there that he went down to you know that

3336
02:18:12,469 --> 02:18:11,359
the nazis are in antarctica it's out

3337
02:18:14,309 --> 02:18:12,479
there that

3338
02:18:16,230 --> 02:18:14,319
you know that pearl harbor that they

3339
02:18:18,389 --> 02:18:16,240
knew ahead of time and that that

3340
02:18:19,750 --> 02:18:18,399
churchill warned them and that they knew

3341
02:18:22,309 --> 02:18:19,760
they were it was going to happen and

3342
02:18:25,110 --> 02:18:22,319
then japanese you know attacked and they

3343
02:18:27,830 --> 02:18:25,120
let them kill americans i mean you know

3344
02:18:30,790 --> 02:18:27,840
this stuff is out there but uh

3345
02:18:33,190 --> 02:18:30,800
yeah the people that really know it know

3346
02:18:35,190 --> 02:18:33,200
it know it you know what i'm saying um

3347
02:18:36,709 --> 02:18:35,200
i'll tell you mark richards is in prison

3348
02:18:40,790 --> 02:18:36,719
because he knows where the bodies are

3349
02:18:43,110 --> 02:18:40,800
buried he knows so much it's ridiculous

3350
02:18:47,110 --> 02:18:43,120
well and and i guess what i'm referring

3351
02:18:49,030 --> 02:18:47,120
to is are you ever going to reveal where

3352
02:18:51,030 --> 02:18:49,040
the bodies are buried not necessarily

3353
02:18:53,429 --> 02:18:51,040
where the bodies are buried but some of

3354
02:18:55,669 --> 02:18:53,439
this information that you just uh you

3355
02:18:57,030 --> 02:18:55,679
know can't talk about for whatever those

3356
02:19:01,110 --> 02:18:57,040
reasons are

3357
02:19:04,469 --> 02:19:01,120
um very little i'll tell you because i

3358
02:19:07,830 --> 02:19:04,479
even uh the way i release information is

3359
02:19:09,830 --> 02:19:07,840
kind of creative sometimes i i do it for

3360
02:19:12,150 --> 02:19:09,840
example i do this yearly conference in

3361
02:19:16,150 --> 02:19:12,160
england and if you come in person they

3362
02:19:17,110 --> 02:19:16,160
only allow what do we have 112 or 115

3363
02:19:19,669 --> 02:19:17,120
seats

3364
02:19:22,230 --> 02:19:19,679
it's very intimate um

3365
02:19:23,270 --> 02:19:22,240
i say things in there that don't go on

3366
02:19:25,509 --> 02:19:23,280
to the

3367
02:19:27,190 --> 02:19:25,519
the film necessarily that people get

3368
02:19:30,309 --> 02:19:27,200
told um

3369
02:19:32,389 --> 02:19:30,319
i i allude to stuff if you listen to me

3370
02:19:33,509 --> 02:19:32,399
if you ever hear me speak

3371
02:19:36,709 --> 02:19:33,519
publicly

3372
02:19:38,230 --> 02:19:36,719
um i i say things i drop hints about

3373
02:19:40,389 --> 02:19:38,240
things um

3374
02:19:42,870 --> 02:19:40,399
but by and large you know

3375
02:19:45,509 --> 02:19:42,880
everything almost everything we've ever

3376
02:19:48,230 --> 02:19:45,519
been told is out there in one form or

3377
02:19:50,550 --> 02:19:48,240
fashion or it's even come out somewhere

3378
02:19:51,429 --> 02:19:50,560
else and i just know it's true that kind

3379
02:19:52,710 --> 02:19:51,439
of thing

3380
02:19:54,870 --> 02:19:52,720
you know so

3381
02:19:56,870 --> 02:19:54,880
i wouldn't say that it's it that you

3382
02:19:59,190 --> 02:19:56,880
know that we're sitting on a bunch of

3383
02:20:01,030 --> 02:19:59,200
special knowledge of any kind you know

3384
02:20:03,030 --> 02:20:01,040
because i'm again

3385
02:20:05,670 --> 02:20:03,040
my first this is why

3386
02:20:07,030 --> 02:20:05,680
you know they don't recruit me

3387
02:20:08,870 --> 02:20:07,040
because i

3388
02:20:11,670 --> 02:20:08,880
i'm working for the people first and

3389
02:20:14,230 --> 02:20:11,680
foremost so i'm gonna tell them

3390
02:20:16,309 --> 02:20:14,240
you know um

3391
02:20:19,110 --> 02:20:16,319
it you know you basically have to kill

3392
02:20:21,349 --> 02:20:19,120
me uh you know at the end of the day to

3393
02:20:24,469 --> 02:20:21,359
shut me up and how do you and let's kind

3394
02:20:27,190 --> 02:20:24,479
of wrap uh wrap with this uh since we're

3395
02:20:30,630 --> 02:20:27,200
talking about you know influencing

3396
02:20:33,910 --> 02:20:30,640
and and that in that context because you

3397
02:20:37,750 --> 02:20:33,920
do have a very large audience out there

3398
02:20:40,230 --> 02:20:37,760
but then what comes with that critics

3399
02:20:41,349 --> 02:20:40,240
how do you how do you how do you how you

3400
02:20:44,469 --> 02:20:41,359
know you

3401
02:20:46,550 --> 02:20:44,479
all of us uh have to develop techniques

3402
02:20:47,670 --> 02:20:46,560
and certain amount of thick skin to deal

3403
02:20:54,870 --> 02:20:47,680
with it

3404
02:20:57,830 --> 02:20:54,880
the best way to uh combat

3405
02:20:59,670 --> 02:20:57,840
uh well any public person has to deal

3406
02:21:01,830 --> 02:20:59,680
with these kinds of things you know you

3407
02:21:03,990 --> 02:21:01,840
have to deal with attacks you have to

3408
02:21:06,389 --> 02:21:04,000
deal with people who try to find out

3409
02:21:07,349 --> 02:21:06,399
where you live and want to

3410
02:21:08,469 --> 02:21:07,359
you know

3411
02:21:11,349 --> 02:21:08,479
uh

3412
02:21:13,030 --> 02:21:11,359
you know tr track you and all of this um

3413
02:21:14,469 --> 02:21:13,040
you have to deal i have to deal if you

3414
02:21:16,389 --> 02:21:14,479
tell the truth you have to deal with the

3415
02:21:18,630 --> 02:21:16,399
attacks from the powers that be which

3416
02:21:20,870 --> 02:21:18,640
they do with um

3417
02:21:23,270 --> 02:21:20,880
you know a lot of uh

3418
02:21:24,469 --> 02:21:23,280
enthusiasm uh

3419
02:21:26,469 --> 02:21:24,479
i you know

3420
02:21:28,389 --> 02:21:26,479
the people on the internet that want to

3421
02:21:30,469 --> 02:21:28,399
bad mouth me it it's in you know it's

3422
02:21:33,510 --> 02:21:30,479
interesting because since the beginning

3423
02:21:35,270 --> 02:21:33,520
of camelot i was the one they they love

3424
02:21:36,469 --> 02:21:35,280
to hate so to speak

3425
02:21:39,830 --> 02:21:36,479
and

3426
02:21:42,630 --> 02:21:39,840
at first that was actually kind of

3427
02:21:45,190 --> 02:21:42,640
off-putting and surprising

3428
02:21:47,510 --> 02:21:45,200
but then i sort of got it uh you know

3429
02:21:49,590 --> 02:21:47,520
the bottom line is actually something

3430
02:21:50,870 --> 02:21:49,600
that was true in my life not you know

3431
02:21:51,750 --> 02:21:50,880
before i ever

3432
02:21:53,030 --> 02:21:51,760
got

3433
02:21:56,150 --> 02:21:53,040
went public

3434
02:21:59,270 --> 02:21:56,160
is a sense of knowing that people hate

3435
02:22:00,950 --> 02:21:59,280
they hate the fact that i actually

3436
02:22:02,550 --> 02:22:00,960
talk like i know

3437
02:22:05,349 --> 02:22:02,560
um and

3438
02:22:07,270 --> 02:22:05,359
you know i um honestly um if i know

3439
02:22:09,830 --> 02:22:07,280
something i'm gonna say it and i believe

3440
02:22:12,630 --> 02:22:09,840
humans do know i don't believe we just

3441
02:22:15,510 --> 02:22:12,640
believe i don't believe we just think or

3442
02:22:18,230 --> 02:22:15,520
we gather information and then maybe we

3443
02:22:19,990 --> 02:22:18,240
kind of know something and i don't i

3444
02:22:22,870 --> 02:22:20,000
also don't believe in authorities i

3445
02:22:24,870 --> 02:22:22,880
don't believe in doctors or any of those

3446
02:22:27,429 --> 02:22:24,880
kinds of people i mean as far as i'm

3447
02:22:30,309 --> 02:22:27,439
concerned they're just like anybody else

3448
02:22:31,349 --> 02:22:30,319
and a lot of them are full of it so you

3449
02:22:33,990 --> 02:22:31,359
know

3450
02:22:35,429 --> 02:22:34,000
because my authority doesn't come from

3451
02:22:37,349 --> 02:22:35,439
other humans

3452
02:22:38,389 --> 02:22:37,359
and because

3453
02:22:52,790 --> 02:22:38,399
i

3454
02:22:58,070 --> 02:22:52,800
not

3455
02:23:00,550 --> 02:22:58,080
what do you want to call this

3456
02:23:03,670 --> 02:23:00,560
proof what people call proof what people

3457
02:23:05,830 --> 02:23:03,680
call proof is nonsense um

3458
02:23:08,070 --> 02:23:05,840
nine times out of ten what it's a

3459
02:23:11,110 --> 02:23:08,080
written document you can fake like

3460
02:23:13,590 --> 02:23:11,120
obama's birth certificate by the way um

3461
02:23:16,309 --> 02:23:13,600
you know it's it's uh a photograph you

3462
02:23:19,429 --> 02:23:16,319
can fake it's a testimony that can be

3463
02:23:21,990 --> 02:23:19,439
faked it's a you know so

3464
02:23:24,230 --> 02:23:22,000
i decided a long time ago it's kind of

3465
02:23:26,710 --> 02:23:24,240
like einstein says the real measure of

3466
02:23:29,990 --> 02:23:26,720
intelligence is imagination

3467
02:23:32,630 --> 02:23:30,000
to me imagination is key it's king

3468
02:23:35,830 --> 02:23:32,640
consciousness is king so

3469
02:23:38,550 --> 02:23:35,840
i'm not worried about you know

3470
02:23:41,910 --> 02:23:38,560
the things that people pull out of you

3471
02:23:43,910 --> 02:23:41,920
know of conventional reality and try to

3472
02:23:47,270 --> 02:23:43,920
deal with these things that are so

3473
02:23:49,110 --> 02:23:47,280
secret and so above the norm

3474
02:23:52,309 --> 02:23:49,120
i mean there's a certain person out

3475
02:23:54,309 --> 02:23:52,319
there who thinks they're going to out um

3476
02:23:56,150 --> 02:23:54,319
a certain witness of mine and i'm not

3477
02:23:57,429 --> 02:23:56,160
going to give him any publicity here but

3478
02:24:00,230 --> 02:23:57,439
i will say

3479
02:24:02,950 --> 02:24:00,240
that it's shocking how naive this

3480
02:24:05,990 --> 02:24:02,960
person's brain is and it's shocking how

3481
02:24:09,590 --> 02:24:06,000
they don't they actually deal in

3482
02:24:13,590 --> 02:24:09,600
consensus reality but you cannot deal

3483
02:24:17,429 --> 02:24:13,600
with the ufo you know alien off planet

3484
02:24:19,349 --> 02:24:17,439
worlds um interdimensional worlds then

3485
02:24:20,309 --> 02:24:19,359
the true nature of what it is to be

3486
02:24:23,750 --> 02:24:20,319
human

3487
02:24:26,389 --> 02:24:23,760
and use conventional reality

3488
02:24:29,349 --> 02:24:26,399
i mean this is a bogus

3489
02:24:31,429 --> 02:24:29,359
you know even physicists will tell you

3490
02:24:33,510 --> 02:24:31,439
whatever is solid in front of you

3491
02:24:35,270 --> 02:24:33,520
whether it's a wall or a table it's not

3492
02:24:37,429 --> 02:24:35,280
really solid right

3493
02:24:39,510 --> 02:24:37,439
and if you match the vibration like men

3494
02:24:41,349 --> 02:24:39,520
who stare at goats you can walk through

3495
02:24:43,590 --> 02:24:41,359
a [\h__\h] i'm sorry

3496
02:24:45,590 --> 02:24:43,600
you can walk through a freaking wall

3497
02:24:47,830 --> 02:24:45,600
yeah i mean you know i'm sorry i'm

3498
02:24:50,070 --> 02:24:47,840
passionate but you know i

3499
02:24:51,750 --> 02:24:50,080
this is the this is the reality that we

3500
02:24:53,670 --> 02:24:51,760
live in people like to think it's

3501
02:24:55,270 --> 02:24:53,680
different people like to think they get

3502
02:24:56,950 --> 02:24:55,280
up every day they go to work and they

3503
02:24:58,790 --> 02:24:56,960
come home and they watch tv and go to

3504
02:25:00,389 --> 02:24:58,800
bed that's their lives right right i

3505
02:25:03,510 --> 02:25:00,399
mean they think that's life they think

3506
02:25:06,870 --> 02:25:03,520
watching football is life it's not

3507
02:25:10,870 --> 02:25:06,880
okay it's way more complex than that and

3508
02:25:14,070 --> 02:25:10,880
we are way way way more complex than

3509
02:25:15,910 --> 02:25:14,080
that and as far as i'm concerned

3510
02:25:18,309 --> 02:25:15,920
we can beat ai

3511
02:25:20,150 --> 02:25:18,319
and i know that people are fond of you

3512
02:25:21,990 --> 02:25:20,160
know they're they're always intimidated

3513
02:25:24,309 --> 02:25:22,000
by stuff they always they've been taught

3514
02:25:26,070 --> 02:25:24,319
it's a programming it's a programming to

3515
02:25:28,710 --> 02:25:26,080
think that and

3516
02:25:30,950 --> 02:25:28,720
everyone is above you who has a college

3517
02:25:33,590 --> 02:25:30,960
degree or has whatever kind of degrees

3518
02:25:35,190 --> 02:25:33,600
or whatever medical or this or that and

3519
02:25:37,910 --> 02:25:35,200
the bottom line is they're just

3520
02:25:40,550 --> 02:25:37,920
programmed and the bottom line is that

3521
02:25:42,790 --> 02:25:40,560
if you go off planet it doesn't even

3522
02:25:45,670 --> 02:25:42,800
apply and you cannot

3523
02:25:47,670 --> 02:25:45,680
deal with off-planet intelligences using

3524
02:25:49,990 --> 02:25:47,680
the same paradigm that you have here on

3525
02:25:52,790 --> 02:25:50,000
earth it doesn't work it's never going

3526
02:25:55,990 --> 02:25:52,800
to work you know we're far beyond that

3527
02:25:57,910 --> 02:25:56,000
and we come from out there as well and

3528
02:26:00,309 --> 02:25:57,920
when you think like i think

3529
02:26:01,830 --> 02:26:00,319
then you know working in conventional

3530
02:26:04,150 --> 02:26:01,840
reality is

3531
02:26:05,349 --> 02:26:04,160
it's beyond stupid you know it's it's

3532
02:26:07,670 --> 02:26:05,359
pathetic

3533
02:26:10,070 --> 02:26:07,680
is what it is and so

3534
02:26:11,910 --> 02:26:10,080
you know yeah people get pissed the

3535
02:26:14,469 --> 02:26:11,920
question was you know why don't why do

3536
02:26:17,030 --> 02:26:14,479
people get pissed at me and i i trigger

3537
02:26:19,990 --> 02:26:17,040
them i trigger them to actually look at

3538
02:26:22,309 --> 02:26:20,000
themselves and realize that no one i

3539
02:26:23,750 --> 02:26:22,319
don't care if it's an alien i don't care

3540
02:26:25,910 --> 02:26:23,760
you know i don't care if somebody walks

3541
02:26:27,429 --> 02:26:25,920
in here and considers themselves god and

3542
02:26:29,670 --> 02:26:27,439
people write to me all the time tell me

3543
02:26:32,950 --> 02:26:29,680
they're god or jesus or the devil or

3544
02:26:35,429 --> 02:26:32,960
whatever you know people have all kinds

3545
02:26:38,230 --> 02:26:35,439
of ideas but the bottom line

3546
02:26:40,790 --> 02:26:38,240
is that you can only know in your soul

3547
02:26:44,389 --> 02:26:40,800
of souls you know what i mean the truth

3548
02:26:46,950 --> 02:26:44,399
and once you realize it once it hits you

3549
02:26:48,389 --> 02:26:46,960
you know that's it um

3550
02:26:50,870 --> 02:26:48,399
what can i tell you i think you have to

3551
02:26:52,870 --> 02:26:50,880
keep an open mind from then on i think

3552
02:26:54,230 --> 02:26:52,880
you have to collect continue collecting

3553
02:26:56,389 --> 02:26:54,240
the evidence even though you've reached

3554
02:26:59,030 --> 02:26:56,399
a good conclusion you know

3555
02:27:01,910 --> 02:26:59,040
um but the bottom line is that we are

3556
02:27:03,510 --> 02:27:01,920
way more than this conventional reality

3557
02:27:04,309 --> 02:27:03,520
gives us credit for

3558
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and

3559
02:27:09,190 --> 02:27:06,319
you know what i'm about that that's that

3560
02:27:11,990 --> 02:27:09,200
interests me you just triggered me

3561
02:27:13,990 --> 02:27:12,000
so you're gonna stay on to do some

3562
02:27:15,750 --> 02:27:14,000
overtime so you just stay right there

3563
02:27:18,070 --> 02:27:15,760
there's no way we're gonna end right now

3564
02:27:20,230 --> 02:27:18,080
it can't happen that way carrie that's

3565
02:27:21,910 --> 02:27:20,240
it so just stay right there we'll uh

3566
02:27:24,150 --> 02:27:21,920
we'll continue this conversation i'm

3567
02:27:25,030 --> 02:27:24,160
watching twitter it's on fire thank you

3568
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for that

3569
02:27:28,950 --> 02:27:27,200
and we'll be right back carrie cassidy

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project camelot we're going to do some

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all right fade to black i'm your host

3660
02:32:27,750 --> 02:32:25,120
jimmy church carrie cassidy project

3661
02:32:29,270 --> 02:32:27,760
camelot doing some overtime so you know

3662
02:32:31,590 --> 02:32:29,280
what that means

3663
02:32:33,990 --> 02:32:31,600
i'm gonna go right there i i want my

3664
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questions answered now

3665
02:32:37,910 --> 02:32:36,160
i'm gonna i'm gonna i'm gonna go a

3666
02:32:38,870 --> 02:32:37,920
little direct here on a few things one

3667
02:32:41,830 --> 02:32:38,880
carrie

3668
02:32:44,870 --> 02:32:41,840
is that when we talk about disclosure

3669
02:32:46,630 --> 02:32:44,880
and and i interface with an awful lot of

3670
02:32:48,950 --> 02:32:46,640
people you're talking about conferences

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02:32:51,270 --> 02:32:48,960
and i do a lot of public speaking i do a

3672
02:32:52,550 --> 02:32:51,280
lot of questioning and

3673
02:32:56,070 --> 02:32:52,560
what

3674
02:32:58,309 --> 02:32:56,080
disclosure

3675
02:33:00,550 --> 02:32:58,319
is different to everybody

3676
02:33:01,750 --> 02:33:00,560
but one thing that i can definitely

3677
02:33:04,230 --> 02:33:01,760
deduce

3678
02:33:06,790 --> 02:33:04,240
is that when somebody says including

3679
02:33:08,950 --> 02:33:06,800
myself i don't need disclosure i've seen

3680
02:33:11,349 --> 02:33:08,960
what i've seen i've i've got my own

3681
02:33:13,750 --> 02:33:11,359
stuff i'm you know i don't need it and

3682
02:33:14,950 --> 02:33:13,760
then i will get the booze

3683
02:33:17,270 --> 02:33:14,960
whatever

3684
02:33:19,270 --> 02:33:17,280
disclosure to everybody in a general

3685
02:33:21,190 --> 02:33:19,280
concept is

3686
02:33:23,110 --> 02:33:21,200
the president stepping up on live

3687
02:33:26,630 --> 02:33:23,120
television announcing that we are not

3688
02:33:29,510 --> 02:33:26,640
alone right that and until that happens

3689
02:33:31,910 --> 02:33:29,520
there is no disclosure for you what's

3690
02:33:36,870 --> 02:33:31,920
the definit the definition of disclosure

3691
02:33:41,910 --> 02:33:39,270
uh well like i say i think we're

3692
02:33:45,030 --> 02:33:41,920
disclosure so we're disclosing to each

3693
02:33:47,429 --> 02:33:45,040
other every day uh we're discovering the

3694
02:33:49,830 --> 02:33:47,439
truth about what's really been going on

3695
02:33:51,750 --> 02:33:49,840
all around us and you know the con

3696
02:33:54,950 --> 02:33:51,760
so-called controllers

3697
02:33:56,469 --> 02:33:54,960
and the alien contingent etc

3698
02:33:57,270 --> 02:33:56,479
is all part of that

3699
02:34:01,030 --> 02:33:57,280
but

3700
02:34:02,790 --> 02:34:01,040
sure it's nice to have so-called

3701
02:34:04,950 --> 02:34:02,800
members of government

3702
02:34:07,429 --> 02:34:04,960
uh let's see paul hellyer he was a

3703
02:34:10,710 --> 02:34:07,439
pretty high up official but what that's

3704
02:34:13,349 --> 02:34:10,720
not good enough for people um you know i

3705
02:34:16,630 --> 02:34:13,359
i mean it's interesting i i think even

3706
02:34:19,030 --> 02:34:16,640
uh who was it was it well reagan

3707
02:34:21,670 --> 02:34:19,040
certainly hinted at it or more than

3708
02:34:23,670 --> 02:34:21,680
hinted at it um

3709
02:34:26,230 --> 02:34:23,680
ben rich said you know we have the

3710
02:34:29,270 --> 02:34:26,240
technology to take e.t home and he said

3711
02:34:31,349 --> 02:34:29,280
a lot of other things as well um he

3712
02:34:33,990 --> 02:34:31,359
really came as close as you can frickin

3713
02:34:36,630 --> 02:34:34,000
come and be someone who was in the know

3714
02:34:37,670 --> 02:34:36,640
and in a position to be in the know

3715
02:34:39,349 --> 02:34:37,680
um

3716
02:34:40,870 --> 02:34:39,359
but for you so

3717
02:34:43,670 --> 02:34:40,880
as far as i'm concerned you know i

3718
02:34:46,630 --> 02:34:43,680
worked wait i worked for jpl jet

3719
02:34:48,070 --> 02:34:46,640
propulsion lab uh in the communications

3720
02:34:50,150 --> 02:34:48,080
area as a

3721
02:34:53,510 --> 02:34:50,160
consultant contractor

3722
02:34:56,309 --> 02:34:53,520
um so i was working around scientists

3723
02:34:59,510 --> 02:34:56,319
and engineers and all of that that sent

3724
02:35:00,790 --> 02:34:59,520
the you know the rovers to mars and such

3725
02:35:03,990 --> 02:35:00,800
um

3726
02:35:07,030 --> 02:35:04,000
and other people uh so you know

3727
02:35:10,070 --> 02:35:07,040
i've had my disclosure i've had i mean

3728
02:35:12,070 --> 02:35:10,080
i've had been face to face with the best

3729
02:35:13,110 --> 02:35:12,080
you know you might say the best and the

3730
02:35:17,349 --> 02:35:13,120
brightest

3731
02:35:19,590 --> 02:35:17,359
um and that is priceless um

3732
02:35:23,110 --> 02:35:19,600
i've also been approached so you know

3733
02:35:26,230 --> 02:35:23,120
quietly by certain others who never went

3734
02:35:31,110 --> 02:35:26,240
on camera et cetera et cetera

3735
02:35:33,349 --> 02:35:31,120
and so on so all i can tell you is um

3736
02:35:35,429 --> 02:35:33,359
you know a president is never going to

3737
02:35:38,150 --> 02:35:35,439
be a big wow for me because the

3738
02:35:41,030 --> 02:35:38,160
president is a hired hand first of all

3739
02:35:43,510 --> 02:35:41,040
and um someone like bobby ray inman now

3740
02:35:45,110 --> 02:35:43,520
that's another matter sure i'd love to

3741
02:35:47,429 --> 02:35:45,120
you know sit and have coffee with him

3742
02:35:50,150 --> 02:35:47,439
for a few hours um

3743
02:35:52,710 --> 02:35:50,160
because he really knows you know

3744
02:35:54,550 --> 02:35:52,720
the real the people that really know

3745
02:35:56,550 --> 02:35:54,560
these are the people that i respect and

3746
02:35:59,030 --> 02:35:56,560
the people that have been dealing with

3747
02:36:01,429 --> 02:35:59,040
this reality you know who go to work and

3748
02:36:04,710 --> 02:36:01,439
deal with it every day um

3749
02:36:06,830 --> 02:36:04,720
a president you know i think trump is is

3750
02:36:09,190 --> 02:36:06,840
read in enough to know quite a

3751
02:36:11,910 --> 02:36:09,200
bit i um

3752
02:36:14,070 --> 02:36:11,920
what can i tell you i i i don't see it

3753
02:36:16,469 --> 02:36:14,080
like other people see it i do understand

3754
02:36:18,469 --> 02:36:16,479
that but at the same time right you know

3755
02:36:19,990 --> 02:36:18,479
i do think that we're moving towards

3756
02:36:21,990 --> 02:36:20,000
that um

3757
02:36:24,389 --> 02:36:22,000
look i also have had dreams of the

3758
02:36:25,349 --> 02:36:24,399
future now if one of my dreams comes

3759
02:36:27,670 --> 02:36:25,359
true

3760
02:36:29,670 --> 02:36:27,680
uh disclosure in quite the way that

3761
02:36:32,550 --> 02:36:29,680
people would like to see it is not going

3762
02:36:34,950 --> 02:36:32,560
to happen for quite a while um

3763
02:36:37,270 --> 02:36:34,960
i can say that you know we are going to

3764
02:36:39,510 --> 02:36:37,280
be we are fighting wars with aliens

3765
02:36:42,070 --> 02:36:39,520
right now soldiers are

3766
02:36:43,670 --> 02:36:42,080
in iraq and iran are dealing with

3767
02:36:46,150 --> 02:36:43,680
reptoids that are coming up from

3768
02:36:48,790 --> 02:36:46,160
underground and interdimensional they

3769
02:36:50,870 --> 02:36:48,800
are fighting them they don't remember

3770
02:36:53,510 --> 02:36:50,880
they are having their minds wiped they

3771
02:36:57,190 --> 02:36:53,520
are being fighting wars on mars and on

3772
02:36:59,429 --> 02:36:57,200
the moon and killing beings you know and

3773
02:37:02,309 --> 02:36:59,439
you know randy kramer i mean

3774
02:37:04,309 --> 02:37:02,319
he'll tell you i mean these people know

3775
02:37:06,389 --> 02:37:04,319
what's real these are the people that i

3776
02:37:09,349 --> 02:37:06,399
respect the people that have been in the

3777
02:37:11,830 --> 02:37:09,359
trenches fighting the war on our behalf

3778
02:37:13,510 --> 02:37:11,840
uh fighting the good fight the ones who

3779
02:37:16,230 --> 02:37:13,520
really know the truth

3780
02:37:19,830 --> 02:37:16,240
um you know the ones like bill cooper

3781
02:37:21,750 --> 02:37:19,840
yes bill cooper and phil schneider

3782
02:37:24,309 --> 02:37:21,760
um you know who

3783
02:37:26,389 --> 02:37:24,319
disclosed who were in the trenches

3784
02:37:28,870 --> 02:37:26,399
trenches and then came out and disclosed

3785
02:37:31,349 --> 02:37:28,880
the ones like bob dean that did the best

3786
02:37:33,830 --> 02:37:31,359
they could to say as much as they could

3787
02:37:36,790 --> 02:37:33,840
um and still keep their family alive

3788
02:37:39,429 --> 02:37:36,800
clifford stone i mean these are to me

3789
02:37:40,630 --> 02:37:39,439
these are heroes okay yeah and so a

3790
02:37:42,710 --> 02:37:40,640
president

3791
02:37:46,870 --> 02:37:42,720
coming out and disclosing can't hold a

3792
02:37:48,790 --> 02:37:46,880
candle to those people uh uh about i

3793
02:37:52,389 --> 02:37:48,800
don't even know now maybe six months or

3794
02:37:54,710 --> 02:37:52,399
a year ago uh i open lines right

3795
02:37:57,830 --> 02:37:54,720
thursday night open lines and richard

3796
02:38:00,710 --> 02:37:57,840
dodie calls in to fade to black

3797
02:38:02,710 --> 02:38:00,720
yes and and you laugh and that that and

3798
02:38:06,870 --> 02:38:02,720
i'm with you on that and i never wanted

3799
02:38:09,429 --> 02:38:06,880
to uh interview uh dodie because of

3800
02:38:11,750 --> 02:38:09,439
my pent-up anger but but that's neither

3801
02:38:15,429 --> 02:38:11,760
here or there but he so he calls in and

3802
02:38:17,110 --> 02:38:15,439
he said one thing in that interview that

3803
02:38:20,469 --> 02:38:17,120
sticks to me

3804
02:38:22,790 --> 02:38:20,479
and he said that when he

3805
02:38:24,469 --> 02:38:22,800
was doing his thing

3806
02:38:26,150 --> 02:38:24,479
that there were

3807
02:38:27,270 --> 02:38:26,160
uh two

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02:38:31,110 --> 02:38:27,280
uh

3809
02:38:33,830 --> 02:38:31,120
informants

3810
02:38:36,630 --> 02:38:33,840
speakers on the circuit

3811
02:38:40,790 --> 02:38:36,640
that are still on the circuit today and

3812
02:38:42,950 --> 02:38:40,800
he knows that they are working with

3813
02:38:44,950 --> 02:38:42,960
uh an agency

3814
02:38:47,190 --> 02:38:44,960
and now i didn't want to know the names

3815
02:38:49,590 --> 02:38:47,200
i i did i just i definitely didn't want

3816
02:38:51,670 --> 02:38:49,600
to open up that door and we did not

3817
02:38:53,270 --> 02:38:51,680
but coming from doty

3818
02:38:56,070 --> 02:38:53,280
where we've got a little bit of a

3819
02:38:57,910 --> 02:38:56,080
paradox here right we've got a conundrum

3820
02:39:00,710 --> 02:38:57,920
do we believe dodie

3821
02:39:02,469 --> 02:39:00,720
or is this dis info

3822
02:39:06,710 --> 02:39:02,479
what do you think about that statement

3823
02:39:09,429 --> 02:39:08,070
you sure you don't want to think about

3824
02:39:10,950 --> 02:39:09,439
that for a second

3825
02:39:13,830 --> 02:39:10,960
no because i know

3826
02:39:16,070 --> 02:39:13,840
i mean i i know i i'm

3827
02:39:19,030 --> 02:39:16,080
what can i tell you um yes

3828
02:39:21,910 --> 02:39:19,040
there are people that are

3829
02:39:24,150 --> 02:39:21,920
respected who are um

3830
02:39:26,870 --> 02:39:24,160
still working you know

3831
02:39:29,590 --> 02:39:26,880
i think people don't understand the game

3832
02:39:33,030 --> 02:39:29,600
very well i think you have to understand

3833
02:39:34,070 --> 02:39:33,040
that people do have to to go on to teams

3834
02:39:37,910 --> 02:39:34,080
um

3835
02:39:39,990 --> 02:39:37,920
i am still an oddity i can tell you that

3836
02:39:42,469 --> 02:39:40,000
in a hidden way i'm probably part of

3837
02:39:44,389 --> 02:39:42,479
some team that i don't really know what

3838
02:39:45,990 --> 02:39:44,399
it is exactly

3839
02:39:48,950 --> 02:39:46,000
of white hats if you want to call it

3840
02:39:50,230 --> 02:39:48,960
that people that protect me people that

3841
02:39:53,110 --> 02:39:50,240
you know when

3842
02:39:54,790 --> 02:39:53,120
all the other teams say killer they say

3843
02:39:56,790 --> 02:39:54,800
wait a minute if you kill her we're

3844
02:39:59,349 --> 02:39:56,800
going to kill one of yours and so

3845
02:40:00,790 --> 02:39:59,359
it's a moot deal you can't do anything

3846
02:40:03,910 --> 02:40:00,800
um

3847
02:40:06,630 --> 02:40:03,920
people have to save their own lives and

3848
02:40:08,790 --> 02:40:06,640
so i don't judge too harshly i do

3849
02:40:11,349 --> 02:40:08,800
understand that people are also they

3850
02:40:13,429 --> 02:40:11,359
consider themselves you know patriots

3851
02:40:15,590 --> 02:40:13,439
for the cause and so on i mean you know

3852
02:40:17,590 --> 02:40:15,600
bill moore you mentioned bill moore he

3853
02:40:19,429 --> 02:40:17,600
he was a liar you know and he even came

3854
02:40:20,389 --> 02:40:19,439
out and said he was putting out this

3855
02:40:22,790 --> 02:40:20,399
info

3856
02:40:24,870 --> 02:40:22,800
um i yes i

3857
02:40:27,590 --> 02:40:24,880
i don't know all the players that are

3858
02:40:30,870 --> 02:40:27,600
playing both sides and that of um that

3859
02:40:33,590 --> 02:40:30,880
are actually in some cases working very

3860
02:40:36,630 --> 02:40:33,600
very diligently to disinfo people

3861
02:40:39,750 --> 02:40:36,640
but i i know enough of them and i know

3862
02:40:42,790 --> 02:40:39,760
who know who dodie knows

3863
02:40:45,510 --> 02:40:42,800
to some degree and um

3864
02:40:48,070 --> 02:40:45,520
i mean dodie planted a you know a

3865
02:40:51,429 --> 02:40:48,080
listening device or had it done uh when

3866
02:40:53,349 --> 02:40:51,439
we were in new mexico and we went to uh

3867
02:40:54,710 --> 02:40:53,359
we drove over to a certain part of

3868
02:40:59,349 --> 02:40:54,720
arizona to

3869
02:41:02,469 --> 02:40:59,359
to uh visit uh a and a member of a

3870
02:41:04,710 --> 02:41:02,479
military member of the dia who was part

3871
02:41:07,429 --> 02:41:04,720
of the serpo disclosures

3872
02:41:08,550 --> 02:41:07,439
um you know he they put a device on our

3873
02:41:10,710 --> 02:41:08,560
car

3874
02:41:13,510 --> 02:41:10,720
to track us so that the people were

3875
02:41:14,790 --> 02:41:13,520
standing in their yard when we drove up

3876
02:41:16,790 --> 02:41:14,800
that's how come we knew there was a

3877
02:41:18,870 --> 02:41:16,800
tracker on our i remember you telling me

3878
02:41:21,750 --> 02:41:18,880
about that right right

3879
02:41:22,710 --> 02:41:21,760
um he also

3880
02:41:24,710 --> 02:41:22,720
said

3881
02:41:25,910 --> 02:41:24,720
that um yes

3882
02:41:27,910 --> 02:41:25,920
that i

3883
02:41:30,150 --> 02:41:27,920
that they are on the circuit and and i

3884
02:41:31,830 --> 02:41:30,160
would know who they were now again i

3885
02:41:34,389 --> 02:41:31,840
don't i don't want to know the names i

3886
02:41:37,510 --> 02:41:34,399
just found it interesting that he would

3887
02:41:39,830 --> 02:41:37,520
say something like that and i i don't

3888
02:41:42,070 --> 02:41:39,840
know when it comes to the guy like dodie

3889
02:41:43,270 --> 02:41:42,080
you know you've got to

3890
02:41:46,070 --> 02:41:43,280
you know what

3891
02:41:48,070 --> 02:41:46,080
he is a dis info guy right so

3892
02:41:49,429 --> 02:41:48,080
is it true or is it not and that's part

3893
02:41:51,030 --> 02:41:49,439
of uh

3894
02:41:53,110 --> 02:41:51,040
the fun with this where we're always

3895
02:41:54,790 --> 02:41:53,120
trying to chase the truth chase the

3896
02:41:57,510 --> 02:41:54,800
truth and you've got to

3897
02:41:59,590 --> 02:41:57,520
uh have a filter on all the time like a

3898
02:42:00,710 --> 02:41:59,600
strainer you know like i'm straining

3899
02:42:03,750 --> 02:42:00,720
pasta

3900
02:42:06,230 --> 02:42:03,760
and that's that's what i feel

3901
02:42:08,790 --> 02:42:06,240
uh fair enough and you know you do have

3902
02:42:11,429 --> 02:42:08,800
to i mean maybe take a take it with a

3903
02:42:14,309 --> 02:42:11,439
grain of salt as they say uh i think you

3904
02:42:15,590 --> 02:42:14,319
need to keep a balance in your mind

3905
02:42:19,270 --> 02:42:15,600
um

3906
02:42:20,950 --> 02:42:19,280
but i also think that if you

3907
02:42:22,950 --> 02:42:20,960
you know what what i was thinking about

3908
02:42:27,510 --> 02:42:22,960
during the break is the idea that you

3909
02:42:31,030 --> 02:42:27,520
know let's say you have two choices and

3910
02:42:32,469 --> 02:42:31,040
one is is really fantastical and one is

3911
02:42:34,230 --> 02:42:32,479
really like

3912
02:42:36,630 --> 02:42:34,240
dull and boring

3913
02:42:40,550 --> 02:42:36,640
now which do you choose

3914
02:42:42,790 --> 02:42:40,560
to me it's like more interesting to to

3915
02:42:45,510 --> 02:42:42,800
allow life to be as interesting as it

3916
02:42:48,230 --> 02:42:45,520
wants to be right to allow reality to be

3917
02:42:50,790 --> 02:42:48,240
as interesting as it wants to be and you

3918
02:42:53,590 --> 02:42:50,800
know i i always say to people why do you

3919
02:42:54,710 --> 02:42:53,600
want to limit the imagination of god for

3920
02:42:56,710 --> 02:42:54,720
example

3921
02:42:59,670 --> 02:42:56,720
you know think about that

3922
02:43:01,990 --> 02:42:59,680
there is no limit therefore anything you

3923
02:43:02,870 --> 02:43:02,000
can imagine could be

3924
02:43:04,710 --> 02:43:02,880
done

3925
02:43:05,990 --> 02:43:04,720
could happen could

3926
02:43:06,950 --> 02:43:06,000
exist

3927
02:43:08,710 --> 02:43:06,960
um

3928
02:43:10,950 --> 02:43:08,720
you know and

3929
02:43:14,150 --> 02:43:10,960
that's it i mean you know there are no

3930
02:43:17,270 --> 02:43:14,160
limits for god there might be limits for

3931
02:43:20,230 --> 02:43:17,280
you or i here in this 3d world but the

3932
02:43:22,790 --> 02:43:20,240
reality is you know if you want to be so

3933
02:43:24,710 --> 02:43:22,800
sort of small-minded as to think the

3934
02:43:27,030 --> 02:43:24,720
only thing god ever thought of was to

3935
02:43:29,270 --> 02:43:27,040
create a human on this planet right with

3936
02:43:31,349 --> 02:43:29,280
all the billions and zillions of planets

3937
02:43:32,710 --> 02:43:31,359
and stars and you know what whatever

3938
02:43:35,349 --> 02:43:32,720
else is out there

3939
02:43:38,389 --> 02:43:35,359
you know sorry um that's a really

3940
02:43:40,550 --> 02:43:38,399
pathetic excuse for a god if you ask me

3941
02:43:42,389 --> 02:43:40,560
right um you know so

3942
02:43:45,590 --> 02:43:42,399
i just think people need to widen their

3943
02:43:49,349 --> 02:43:45,600
minds they need to really understand

3944
02:43:50,389 --> 02:43:49,359
that reality is stranger than fiction

3945
02:43:53,910 --> 02:43:50,399
it's a fact

3946
02:43:56,710 --> 02:43:53,920
it really is and if you if you begin to

3947
02:43:59,349 --> 02:43:56,720
do an investigation your mind will be

3948
02:44:02,070 --> 02:43:59,359
bent i mean anyone who's gone down this

3949
02:44:04,150 --> 02:44:02,080
investigative kind of road

3950
02:44:06,469 --> 02:44:04,160
yourself included will know what i'm

3951
02:44:09,830 --> 02:44:06,479
talking about because

3952
02:44:11,910 --> 02:44:09,840
i mean you know i think i know a lot but

3953
02:44:15,269 --> 02:44:11,920
you know i didn't really think when

3954
02:44:17,990 --> 02:44:15,279
terry loveless said he saw a wall-sized

3955
02:44:21,110 --> 02:44:18,000
aquarium with what he thought were

3956
02:44:22,309 --> 02:44:21,120
puppies in this pink liquid which were

3957
02:44:24,150 --> 02:44:22,319
in essence

3958
02:44:25,670 --> 02:44:24,160
you know hybrid

3959
02:44:31,590 --> 02:44:25,680
human

3960
02:44:32,469 --> 02:44:31,600
hybrid whatever kind of things you know

3961
02:44:34,230 --> 02:44:32,479
i mean

3962
02:44:36,710 --> 02:44:34,240
that's kind of mind-boggling don't you

3963
02:44:37,910 --> 02:44:36,720
think now yeah the first time he the

3964
02:44:42,630 --> 02:44:37,920
first time

3965
02:44:45,110 --> 02:44:42,640
uh that story

3966
02:44:48,309 --> 02:44:45,120
i was floored and it's only because he

3967
02:44:51,590 --> 02:44:48,319
comes from a a a legal

3968
02:44:53,750 --> 02:44:51,600
mindset he's a trained professional and

3969
02:44:55,269 --> 02:44:53,760
and he speaks and when he delivers a

3970
02:44:58,230 --> 02:44:55,279
story like that and it's coming from

3971
02:44:59,990 --> 02:44:58,240
terry you have to stop and listen

3972
02:45:02,150 --> 02:45:00,000
you know that's that's that's the way

3973
02:45:03,030 --> 02:45:02,160
that i take terry on this oh i wanted to

3974
02:45:05,750 --> 02:45:03,040
um

3975
02:45:07,590 --> 02:45:05,760
uh i wanted you to i want to get this in

3976
02:45:09,269 --> 02:45:07,600
before we do run out of time i'll be off

3977
02:45:11,990 --> 02:45:09,279
the network here in a few minutes

3978
02:45:15,349 --> 02:45:12,000
is you've had a lot of contact you've

3979
02:45:16,950 --> 02:45:15,359
seen a lot of things um i want you to

3980
02:45:19,910 --> 02:45:16,960
share with us

3981
02:45:21,110 --> 02:45:19,920
the one thing that you saw that you

3982
02:45:23,750 --> 02:45:21,120
witnessed

3983
02:45:25,269 --> 02:45:23,760
uh for us because i've i've seen lots of

3984
02:45:27,670 --> 02:45:25,279
things i share these stories all the

3985
02:45:29,590 --> 02:45:27,680
time but i don't think i've ever heard

3986
02:45:30,389 --> 02:45:29,600
you talk about this

3987
02:45:32,710 --> 02:45:30,399
so

3988
02:45:35,830 --> 02:45:32,720
what what's the one experience that you

3989
02:45:41,190 --> 02:45:38,630
i'm not sure what this is uh one

3990
02:45:43,190 --> 02:45:41,200
experience that i didn't in my life do

3991
02:45:46,150 --> 02:45:43,200
you talk about i'm talking about e.t

3992
02:45:47,590 --> 02:45:46,160
ufos contact

3993
02:45:50,870 --> 02:45:47,600
uh

3994
02:45:53,590 --> 02:45:50,880
what have i not shared about that um

3995
02:45:55,910 --> 02:45:53,600
you know it's hard for me to remember

3996
02:45:57,110 --> 02:45:55,920
i have an implant in my arm and a

3997
02:45:58,230 --> 02:45:57,120
birthmark

3998
02:46:01,110 --> 02:45:58,240
um

3999
02:46:03,429 --> 02:46:01,120
and i believe i'm a my lab i tried to

4000
02:46:06,950 --> 02:46:03,439
tell people about that i i was born in a

4001
02:46:08,309 --> 02:46:06,960
military hospital on moffett field

4002
02:46:10,550 --> 02:46:08,319
palo alto

4003
02:46:12,550 --> 02:46:10,560
um i don't know that might be a little

4004
02:46:14,469 --> 02:46:12,560
bit interesting for people uh that

4005
02:46:16,230 --> 02:46:14,479
haven't heard that one um

4006
02:46:18,230 --> 02:46:16,240
trying to think you know i tol i've told

4007
02:46:21,110 --> 02:46:18,240
the reptilian story you know that i was

4008
02:46:24,389 --> 02:46:21,120
going into a meditation and i saw a

4009
02:46:27,030 --> 02:46:24,399
a shakar which is the rep reptilians

4010
02:46:29,110 --> 02:46:27,040
that fly at the time i didn't i had seen

4011
02:46:31,590 --> 02:46:29,120
the movie v and this is the earlier or

4012
02:46:34,230 --> 02:46:31,600
tv show the earlier tv version you know

4013
02:46:36,070 --> 02:46:34,240
this is years ago right and i didn't

4014
02:46:38,309 --> 02:46:36,080
believe that rep i thought that's

4015
02:46:41,030 --> 02:46:38,319
ridiculous they would not have a being

4016
02:46:43,030 --> 02:46:41,040
like those reptilians there is no way

4017
02:46:45,349 --> 02:46:43,040
and then actually

4018
02:46:48,070 --> 02:46:45,359
going into meditation i actually tripped

4019
02:46:51,030 --> 02:46:48,080
into an interdimensional kind of a

4020
02:46:54,150 --> 02:46:51,040
world i was wide awake and i saw this

4021
02:46:56,550 --> 02:46:54,160
being and he saw me and he flew by

4022
02:46:58,710 --> 02:46:56,560
and he wanted me to see him and he was a

4023
02:47:01,110 --> 02:46:58,720
consciousness and

4024
02:47:03,030 --> 02:47:01,120
i had no you know i had never even

4025
02:47:05,670 --> 02:47:03,040
thought of those beings and certainly

4026
02:47:07,670 --> 02:47:05,680
not with wings you know so all i can

4027
02:47:09,750 --> 02:47:07,680
tell you is from then on

4028
02:47:12,550 --> 02:47:09,760
i didn't question whether there were

4029
02:47:13,830 --> 02:47:12,560
reptilians in the world okay and that

4030
02:47:15,750 --> 02:47:13,840
they exist

4031
02:47:19,349 --> 02:47:15,760
um i certainly know that they can go

4032
02:47:21,190 --> 02:47:19,359
interdimensional i can say that much um

4033
02:47:24,070 --> 02:47:21,200
you know i've

4034
02:47:27,830 --> 02:47:24,080
i i had a sort of dream vision in which

4035
02:47:29,590 --> 02:47:27,840
i saw this horrible kind of like being

4036
02:47:32,550 --> 02:47:29,600
standing in line

4037
02:47:33,429 --> 02:47:32,560
and my you might say it's a terrible

4038
02:47:35,670 --> 02:47:33,439
um

4039
02:47:39,750 --> 02:47:35,680
metaphor but he was standing in line at

4040
02:47:42,550 --> 02:47:39,760
the cafeteria at jpl now i i had this i

4041
02:47:45,429 --> 02:47:42,560
wasn't at jpl working there anymore but

4042
02:47:47,510 --> 02:47:45,439
um and he had this white you know how

4043
02:47:49,830 --> 02:47:47,520
the underside of a snake has these white

4044
02:47:50,870 --> 02:47:49,840
sort of scales but it looks really kind

4045
02:47:56,070 --> 02:47:50,880
of

4046
02:47:58,469 --> 02:47:56,080
they're in lines yeah scales but it's

4047
02:48:01,110 --> 02:47:58,479
really smooth scales right the soft

4048
02:48:02,630 --> 02:48:01,120
white underbelly yeah that's the kind of

4049
02:48:04,790 --> 02:48:02,640
skin he had

4050
02:48:06,150 --> 02:48:04,800
you know and he was tall and and and

4051
02:48:09,910 --> 02:48:06,160
really pale

4052
02:48:11,750 --> 02:48:09,920
um looked at me very sinister guy um

4053
02:48:14,150 --> 02:48:11,760
wait a minute hold on hold on hold on

4054
02:48:16,950 --> 02:48:14,160
this is this is very interesting so this

4055
02:48:18,230 --> 02:48:16,960
is after you were contracting at jpl you

4056
02:48:19,830 --> 02:48:18,240
were not there

4057
02:48:21,269 --> 02:48:19,840
but you saw

4058
02:48:22,950 --> 02:48:21,279
this being

4059
02:48:23,750 --> 02:48:22,960
at jpl

4060
02:48:25,510 --> 02:48:23,760
in

4061
02:48:27,269 --> 02:48:25,520
the cafeteria

4062
02:48:28,870 --> 02:48:27,279
right in a dream

4063
02:48:32,309 --> 02:48:28,880
yeah that's what i'm saying

4064
02:48:34,950 --> 02:48:32,319
yes right very interesting now do you

4065
02:48:36,790 --> 02:48:34,960
think that this is

4066
02:48:39,110 --> 02:48:36,800
i love this see i get to turn this

4067
02:48:41,190 --> 02:48:39,120
around on on kerry

4068
02:48:42,950 --> 02:48:41,200
do you think that he was

4069
02:48:44,550 --> 02:48:42,960
that this was a representation of

4070
02:48:45,349 --> 02:48:44,560
something that was

4071
02:48:48,150 --> 02:48:45,359
uh

4072
02:48:49,990 --> 02:48:48,160
a reptilian that was

4073
02:48:52,469 --> 02:48:50,000
an employee

4074
02:48:55,510 --> 02:48:52,479
of jpl right that you're seeing him in

4075
02:49:01,030 --> 02:48:59,030
oh that's interesting i don't know um i

4076
02:49:03,190 --> 02:49:01,040
do know that he was

4077
02:49:05,990 --> 02:49:03,200
you know that he looked at me i do know

4078
02:49:08,550 --> 02:49:06,000
that it wasn't really a dream

4079
02:49:12,309 --> 02:49:08,560
right what it was i don't know how to

4080
02:49:15,269 --> 02:49:12,319
classify it right um so i can't tell you

4081
02:49:17,670 --> 02:49:15,279
whether he was in his true form

4082
02:49:18,710 --> 02:49:17,680
um he could pass for human

4083
02:49:19,590 --> 02:49:18,720
okay

4084
02:49:23,429 --> 02:49:19,600
but

4085
02:49:27,750 --> 02:49:23,439
look i think he i think he was baldi ish

4086
02:49:29,910 --> 02:49:27,760
as well um so you know um

4087
02:49:31,670 --> 02:49:29,920
look jpl is nasa

4088
02:49:32,950 --> 02:49:31,680
i'm sure they have lots of reptilians i

4089
02:49:35,429 --> 02:49:32,960
was just gonna say we can go on the

4090
02:49:38,070 --> 02:49:35,439
record now carrie cassidy says that jpl

4091
02:49:40,230 --> 02:49:38,080
is run by reptilians

4092
02:49:42,469 --> 02:49:40,240
well it's not run well it might be run

4093
02:49:44,309 --> 02:49:42,479
by reptilians actually but according to

4094
02:49:46,469 --> 02:49:44,319
william tompkins you know it's a it's

4095
02:49:48,389 --> 02:49:46,479
sort of a war between the reptilians and

4096
02:49:50,630 --> 02:49:48,399
the pleiadians who's really running the

4097
02:49:52,790 --> 02:49:50,640
place but i'm sure the humans have a

4098
02:49:55,750 --> 02:49:52,800
vote at this point as well

4099
02:49:57,910 --> 02:49:55,760
um and the nazis uh are right in there

4100
02:50:00,870 --> 02:49:57,920
uh you know and some of those nazis are

4101
02:50:04,070 --> 02:50:00,880
reptilians so you know it it's yeah it's

4102
02:50:05,429 --> 02:50:04,080
a cornucopia of uh of choices

4103
02:50:10,230 --> 02:50:05,439
you said to me

4104
02:50:13,110 --> 02:50:10,240
uh many years ago uh you said that

4105
02:50:15,110 --> 02:50:13,120
uh we are all time travelers uh this is

4106
02:50:16,870 --> 02:50:15,120
during a phone call everybody and i said

4107
02:50:18,870 --> 02:50:16,880
and i said to carrick what do you mean

4108
02:50:20,550 --> 02:50:18,880
i'm not a time traveler and you go yes

4109
02:50:22,790 --> 02:50:20,560
you are jimmy

4110
02:50:25,030 --> 02:50:22,800
and and i always

4111
02:50:27,190 --> 02:50:25,040
i always remembered that but what i

4112
02:50:31,750 --> 02:50:27,200
would like for you to do is is what did

4113
02:50:36,950 --> 02:50:34,710
well time time and space are an illusion

4114
02:50:39,830 --> 02:50:36,960
time and space there's

4115
02:50:42,230 --> 02:50:39,840
space time and time space and they

4116
02:50:43,990 --> 02:50:42,240
intersect and you know you could look at

4117
02:50:45,910 --> 02:50:44,000
the work of richard allen miller and i

4118
02:50:47,750 --> 02:50:45,920
know you've had him on your show a lot

4119
02:50:49,750 --> 02:50:47,760
and he talks about

4120
02:50:51,510 --> 02:50:49,760
the reality is that our consciousness

4121
02:50:54,469 --> 02:50:51,520
kind of comes to that point that

4122
02:50:55,590 --> 02:50:54,479
intersection point where time and space

4123
02:50:56,790 --> 02:50:55,600
connect

4124
02:50:59,349 --> 02:50:56,800
and

4125
02:51:01,269 --> 02:50:59,359
in a sense

4126
02:51:03,750 --> 02:51:01,279
what physicists will also tell you is

4127
02:51:06,790 --> 02:51:03,760
that time and space is an illusion

4128
02:51:10,150 --> 02:51:06,800
if that's true and at the same time they

4129
02:51:12,790 --> 02:51:10,160
can say that this is all one

4130
02:51:16,309 --> 02:51:12,800
then in essence uh

4131
02:51:18,950 --> 02:51:16,319
time as we think of it is only linear in

4132
02:51:20,309 --> 02:51:18,960
our brain to be played out in this kind

4133
02:51:22,710 --> 02:51:20,319
of

4134
02:51:25,269 --> 02:51:22,720
this game this board game we call a

4135
02:51:27,030 --> 02:51:25,279
hologram that involves uh earth and all

4136
02:51:28,950 --> 02:51:27,040
the other planets and various et's and

4137
02:51:30,309 --> 02:51:28,960
so and so forth so right at various

4138
02:51:33,030 --> 02:51:30,319
levels

4139
02:51:33,830 --> 02:51:33,040
uh you know dimensions and densities etc

4140
02:51:35,590 --> 02:51:33,840
so

4141
02:51:38,230 --> 02:51:35,600
in other words

4142
02:51:40,230 --> 02:51:38,240
at play in the fields of the lord is one

4143
02:51:43,590 --> 02:51:40,240
saying you could kind of generalize in

4144
02:51:45,030 --> 02:51:43,600
this sense uh we are all like at the

4145
02:51:48,389 --> 02:51:45,040
moment now even

4146
02:51:50,710 --> 02:51:48,399
i mean i'm gonna fly to the uk in for

4147
02:51:52,710 --> 02:51:50,720
christmas i will be time traveling i'll

4148
02:51:55,510 --> 02:51:52,720
be traveling through time when i get to

4149
02:51:57,429 --> 02:51:55,520
the uk i will skip over a certain amount

4150
02:51:59,429 --> 02:51:57,439
of time and i'll be in a different day

4151
02:52:01,830 --> 02:51:59,439
in a different time right

4152
02:52:04,309 --> 02:52:01,840
and that's time traveling so if you can

4153
02:52:07,190 --> 02:52:04,319
time travel in a jet

4154
02:52:10,150 --> 02:52:07,200
then what the heck

4155
02:52:12,230 --> 02:52:10,160
do you think you can do in a ufo going

4156
02:52:15,110 --> 02:52:12,240
from here to the moon or folding time

4157
02:52:17,910 --> 02:52:15,120
space you know um or

4158
02:52:19,269 --> 02:52:17,920
going you know interdimensional going

4159
02:52:20,070 --> 02:52:19,279
interstellar

4160
02:52:20,950 --> 02:52:20,080
uh

4161
02:52:22,870 --> 02:52:20,960
you know

4162
02:52:25,349 --> 02:52:22,880
when you look at a star they say the

4163
02:52:28,150 --> 02:52:25,359
time all this kind of thing about it's

4164
02:52:30,790 --> 02:52:28,160
actually you're seeing the past

4165
02:52:35,030 --> 02:52:30,800
happening you know millions of years ago

4166
02:52:36,870 --> 02:52:35,040
or something in other words we ourselves

4167
02:52:40,070 --> 02:52:36,880
are reincarnated

4168
02:52:42,950 --> 02:52:40,080
so we live through various times that

4169
02:52:44,630 --> 02:52:42,960
makes us a time traveler

4170
02:52:47,269 --> 02:52:44,640
when you go to sleep at night you can

4171
02:52:49,990 --> 02:52:47,279
easily travel back in time forward in

4172
02:52:50,790 --> 02:52:50,000
time you know this is what precog events

4173
02:52:52,230 --> 02:52:50,800
are

4174
02:52:55,030 --> 02:52:52,240
um

4175
02:52:57,269 --> 02:52:55,040
and so on so i mean we're always

4176
02:52:59,670 --> 02:52:57,279
traveling in time

4177
02:53:02,230 --> 02:52:59,680
you know it's just part of what we do

4178
02:53:03,830 --> 02:53:02,240
it's just as natural as you know as

4179
02:53:06,950 --> 02:53:03,840
putting on clothes

4180
02:53:08,550 --> 02:53:06,960
do you find uh that because of the

4181
02:53:10,950 --> 02:53:08,560
amount of influence you have out there

4182
02:53:12,550 --> 02:53:10,960
and so many are ready to

4183
02:53:13,670 --> 02:53:12,560
two pounds

4184
02:53:18,309 --> 02:53:13,680
do you

4185
02:53:19,110 --> 02:53:18,319
with the filter

4186
02:53:20,389 --> 02:53:19,120
no

4187
02:53:21,190 --> 02:53:20,399
you don't care

4188
02:53:41,429 --> 02:53:21,200
i

4189
02:53:43,110 --> 02:53:41,439
sort of greater good

4190
02:53:45,190 --> 02:53:43,120
i'm one of those people who actually

4191
02:53:48,790 --> 02:53:45,200
believe that humanity is

4192
02:53:51,830 --> 02:53:48,800
good at root rather than evil and bad

4193
02:53:54,630 --> 02:53:51,840
right um i think being told were bad in

4194
02:53:57,110 --> 02:53:54,640
sinners is is an overlay it's a lie it's

4195
02:53:59,190 --> 02:53:57,120
it's it's a way of getting us to

4196
02:54:01,349 --> 02:53:59,200
to not believe in ourselves and also to

4197
02:54:03,429 --> 02:54:01,359
take the planet away

4198
02:54:05,510 --> 02:54:03,439
you know um

4199
02:54:07,910 --> 02:54:05,520
this is you know it's the king syndrome

4200
02:54:10,070 --> 02:54:07,920
i mean the anunnaki did it uh you know

4201
02:54:11,910 --> 02:54:10,080
eight ages ago and people still read the

4202
02:54:13,910 --> 02:54:11,920
bible and believe these guys are telling

4203
02:54:15,750 --> 02:54:13,920
them the truth i mean

4204
02:54:17,590 --> 02:54:15,760
it's complete not it's a playbook it's

4205
02:54:18,389 --> 02:54:17,600
nonsense you know it's

4206
02:54:22,870 --> 02:54:18,399
it

4207
02:54:25,830 --> 02:54:22,880
to be on another timeline then we

4208
02:54:28,230 --> 02:54:25,840
frickin will and we are very powerful

4209
02:54:30,550 --> 02:54:28,240
together when we link up into a field of

4210
02:54:33,990 --> 02:54:30,560
resonance like we're doing tonight right

4211
02:54:37,030 --> 02:54:34,000
and it's it's very exciting it's not me

4212
02:54:39,190 --> 02:54:37,040
it's not you it's all of us that's the

4213
02:54:41,750 --> 02:54:39,200
power it's just you know i happen to be

4214
02:54:44,230 --> 02:54:41,760
voicing it but i'm voicing what's in the

4215
02:54:46,389 --> 02:54:44,240
hearts and souls of the people that you

4216
02:54:49,429 --> 02:54:46,399
know that follow my work because they're

4217
02:54:53,590 --> 02:54:49,439
already there you know all they just

4218
02:54:55,750 --> 02:54:53,600
want to hear it out loud in this reality

4219
02:54:57,910 --> 02:54:55,760
what uh and i want to thank you carrie

4220
02:55:00,230 --> 02:54:57,920
it's a unbelievably great conversation

4221
02:55:03,110 --> 02:55:00,240
tonight what uh what night do you

4222
02:55:04,790 --> 02:55:03,120
broadcast and where can everybody go and

4223
02:55:08,309 --> 02:55:04,800
find you

4224
02:55:10,309 --> 02:55:08,319
okay well i broadcast usually uh i'm

4225
02:55:13,349 --> 02:55:10,319
supposed to broadcast wednesdays and

4226
02:55:16,070 --> 02:55:13,359
thursday nights at 7 00 p.m pacific time

4227
02:55:19,590 --> 02:55:16,080
on youtube on my channel

4228
02:55:21,830 --> 02:55:19,600
and i also uh broadcast on fridays at 1

4229
02:55:24,070 --> 02:55:21,840
1 pm pacific time the reason i do

4230
02:55:25,590 --> 02:55:24,080
different broadcasts at different times

4231
02:55:28,309 --> 02:55:25,600
is to accommodate

4232
02:55:30,070 --> 02:55:28,319
whistleblowers and truth tellers that

4233
02:55:32,950 --> 02:55:30,080
don't live in the united states they

4234
02:55:35,990 --> 02:55:32,960
might live overseas or they can't make

4235
02:55:39,190 --> 02:55:36,000
certain times uh so i do vary it like

4236
02:55:40,389 --> 02:55:39,200
monday which is this no this is tuesday

4237
02:55:42,469 --> 02:55:40,399
i did

4238
02:55:44,630 --> 02:55:42,479
two interviews um

4239
02:55:46,790 --> 02:55:44,640
and they were with people from overseas

4240
02:55:49,590 --> 02:55:46,800
i did a roundtable discussion at 10 a.m

4241
02:55:51,349 --> 02:55:49,600
and i'm not a morning person

4242
02:55:55,030 --> 02:55:51,359
god saved me when i have to do that

4243
02:55:58,070 --> 02:55:55,040
right um and the other one was with uh

4244
02:56:00,550 --> 02:55:58,080
tony gosling and he's in the uk you know

4245
02:56:02,230 --> 02:56:00,560
it's it's late at night there and and we

4246
02:56:03,750 --> 02:56:02,240
talked around two or three in the

4247
02:56:07,110 --> 02:56:03,760
afternoon so

4248
02:56:09,269 --> 02:56:07,120
you know i i do i'm flexible and if

4249
02:56:11,030 --> 02:56:09,279
something really important comes up i'll

4250
02:56:13,510 --> 02:56:11,040
go live that minute you know what i'm

4251
02:56:15,670 --> 02:56:13,520
saying so because i have a youtube

4252
02:56:17,590 --> 02:56:15,680
channel and because i can reach social

4253
02:56:18,950 --> 02:56:17,600
media in an instant

4254
02:56:22,309 --> 02:56:18,960
um

4255
02:56:24,630 --> 02:56:22,319
that allows me a lot of leeway and i

4256
02:56:26,710 --> 02:56:24,640
also have a you know a long time ago i

4257
02:56:27,830 --> 02:56:26,720
had a college professor who basically

4258
02:56:28,630 --> 02:56:27,840
said

4259
02:56:35,269 --> 02:56:28,640
um

4260
02:56:36,950 --> 02:56:35,279
it was uh this this uh radical

4261
02:56:39,269 --> 02:56:36,960
seal um

4262
02:56:41,190 --> 02:56:39,279
trying to remember his name i think was

4263
02:56:42,950 --> 02:56:41,200
it might have been bobby seale

4264
02:56:45,590 --> 02:56:42,960
who um

4265
02:56:47,910 --> 02:56:45,600
who was a radical at the time he came to

4266
02:56:50,630 --> 02:56:47,920
speak at my college he said if i reach

4267
02:56:52,550 --> 02:56:50,640
one person in this audience today i'll

4268
02:56:54,309 --> 02:56:52,560
have done my job

4269
02:56:56,309 --> 02:56:54,319
and you know i was really impressed with

4270
02:56:58,870 --> 02:56:56,319
that because you know he was a very cool

4271
02:57:00,630 --> 02:56:58,880
guy he was talking about very important

4272
02:57:02,870 --> 02:57:00,640
things back in that day

4273
02:57:04,870 --> 02:57:02,880
and i just thought you know i'm going to

4274
02:57:07,110 --> 02:57:04,880
remember that and i hope i can keep that

4275
02:57:08,870 --> 02:57:07,120
with me you know no matter where i go or

4276
02:57:10,710 --> 02:57:08,880
what i do because i think that's a

4277
02:57:12,469 --> 02:57:10,720
really beautiful thing to think

4278
02:57:14,309 --> 02:57:12,479
and so i don't worry

4279
02:57:15,830 --> 02:57:14,319
i have numbers but i don't worry about

4280
02:57:17,910 --> 02:57:15,840
numbers um

4281
02:57:19,190 --> 02:57:17,920
numbers don't mean a hell of a lot to me

4282
02:57:22,150 --> 02:57:19,200
um

4283
02:57:23,030 --> 02:57:22,160
you know i i just i'm just doing what i

4284
02:57:27,429 --> 02:57:23,040
love

4285
02:57:29,110 --> 02:57:27,439
and i think that

4286
02:57:31,590 --> 02:57:29,120
reaching people

4287
02:57:34,230 --> 02:57:31,600
if you do reach one person it does get

4288
02:57:36,790 --> 02:57:34,240
out there because we're amazing you know

4289
02:57:38,950 --> 02:57:36,800
we do share with each other and we have

4290
02:57:42,070 --> 02:57:38,960
a natural

4291
02:57:44,550 --> 02:57:42,080
proclivity to do that and that's one of

4292
02:57:47,670 --> 02:57:44,560
the wonderful things about humans thank

4293
02:57:50,630 --> 02:57:47,680
you so much carrie and we went right up

4294
02:57:53,030 --> 02:57:50,640
to it i've got to run credits and our uh

4295
02:57:54,950 --> 02:57:53,040
holiday party carry for fade to black is

4296
02:57:57,269 --> 02:57:54,960
at the rainbow bar and grill on december

4297
02:57:59,349 --> 02:57:57,279
26th the day after christmas if you're

4298
02:58:01,510 --> 02:57:59,359
in town wow you should come by and hang

4299
02:58:04,389 --> 02:58:01,520
out with all of us i would love to but

4300
02:58:06,469 --> 02:58:04,399
i'm going to be overseas oh there you go

4301
02:58:09,590 --> 02:58:06,479
carrie cassidy it is

4302
02:58:12,269 --> 02:58:09,600
project camelot portal.com

4303
02:58:13,990 --> 02:58:12,279
all of the other links are over at

4304
02:58:15,750 --> 02:58:14,000
jimmychurchradio.com thank you so much

4305
02:58:17,510 --> 02:58:15,760
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4306
02:58:19,750 --> 02:58:17,520
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4307
02:58:22,389 --> 02:58:19,760
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4308
02:58:25,190 --> 02:58:22,399
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4309
02:58:28,630 --> 02:58:25,200
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4310
02:58:31,830 --> 02:58:28,640
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4311
02:58:33,750 --> 02:58:31,840
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4312
02:58:35,429 --> 02:58:33,760
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4313
02:58:37,670 --> 02:58:35,439
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4314
02:58:40,309 --> 02:58:37,680
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4315
02:58:42,230 --> 02:58:40,319
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4316
02:58:44,230 --> 02:58:42,240
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4317
02:58:45,750 --> 02:58:44,240
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4318
02:58:47,830 --> 02:58:45,760
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4319
02:58:49,269 --> 02:58:47,840
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4320
02:58:51,269 --> 02:58:49,279
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4321
02:58:53,990 --> 02:58:51,279
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4322
02:58:55,590 --> 02:58:54,000
tomorrow night tyler glockner right here

4323
02:58:59,269 --> 02:58:55,600
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4324
02:59:03,380 --> 02:58:59,279
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